There has to be a rule about this...

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ziskan1013

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I am playing a game of 8ball earlier today with a friend. Down to the last few balls, game turns into a defensive pissing match.

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my shot, I play defence and push the 9 to the 8, a chokehold shot.

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afterwards, my friend shoots the 6 and gets into a position to try and free himself.

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shoots my 9-ball very softly, brings it out to the position it is in now.

from this point on, we both just go back and forth with the 9, trying to free the 8. what the pictures don't show is that the 8 was VERY close to the pocket and the slightest bump would have sunk it in (we tested this). since his shot was virtually a ball in hand, regardless of what he did with the 9, i was able to push it back into the same position or close to the 12 so that he wasnt able to shoot.

is there a rule that says after x amount of fouls in a row, a player is automatically defeated? we play APA rules, btw.
 
LOL thats a funny situation. I would say that if it went back and forth that the person doing the fouls should have lost the match. Since you werent fouling by hitting your ball legally. Of course he could have been braver by trying to hop the cue onto the 8 (knocking it in). But I dont think there is an APA rule against this.

Vic
 
4.21 STALEMATED GAME
If, after 3 consecutive turns at the table by each player (6 turns total), the referee judges (or if no referee, both players agree) that attempting to pocket or move an object ball will result in loss of game, the balls will be reracked with the original breaker of the stalemated game breaking again. The stalemate rule may be applied regardless of the number of balls on the table. Please Note: Three consecutive fouls by one player in 8-ball is not a loss of game. Source
 
Klopek said:
4.21 STALEMATED GAME
If, after 3 consecutive turns at the table by each player (6 turns total), the referee judges (or if no referee, both players agree) that attempting to pocket or move an object ball will result in loss of game, the balls will be reracked with the original breaker of the stalemated game breaking again. The stalemate rule may be applied regardless of the number of balls on the table. Please Note: Three consecutive fouls by one player in 8-ball is not a loss of game. Source
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Those are WPA rules. I think the poster was looking for APA rules. I just looked over my rulebook and there are no rules stating the amount of fouls allowed or what happens in a situation like this.

Vic
 
Stalemated games - look in the index.
In the unlikely event that a game should ever become stalemated, meaning that neither player wants or can make use of ball-in-hand, then the balls are reracked, the same player breaks and the innings for the stalemated game are crossed off the scoresheet.

It's essentially the same as what the previous poster said.
 
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vicdotcom said:
Those are WPA rules. I think the poster was looking for APA rules. I just looked over my rulebook and there are no rules stating the amount of fouls allowed or what happens in a situation like this.

Vic
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APA rule is pretty close to the BCA rule except both players only have to agree that they each do not want to shoot for there to be a re-rack.

http://www.poolplayers.com/tmanual.pdf

Here's the link.
 
I see. So basically, we can chaulk that one up to a draw and have mulligan, so to speak? Interesting...

In anycase, thanks for the posts. I was sure that an x number of consecutive fouls would leave to an automatic loss.
 
vicdotcom said:
Those are WPA rules. I think the poster was looking for APA rules. I just looked over my rulebook and there are no rules stating the amount of fouls allowed or what happens in a situation like this.

Vic
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OP didn't mention APA.
 
why did he hit the stripe if it isn't his legal group of balls? that should have been a foul already. did you apply a 3-foul rule on him? that should have won you the game.
if he was allowed to hit your balls (stripe), then he could have just simply used it for combination since you allowed him to hit your group of balls, with the 8 being the last ball. that on the otherhand, could have won him the game.

if both of you didn't follow these rules, then it's simply a stalemate for 6 consecutive non-action!
 
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In some cases, 3 foul rules do exist for 8-ball. Always good to ask about that before playing.
 
Klopek said:
OP didn't mention APA.
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Sure he did :) Its in the last line of the post. It was easy to miss though.

ziskan1013 said:
from this point on, we both just go back and forth with the 9, trying to free the 8. what the pictures don't show is that the 8 was VERY close to the pocket and the slightest bump would have sunk it in (we tested this). since his shot was virtually a ball in hand, regardless of what he did with the 9, i was able to push it back into the same position or close to the 12 so that he wasnt able to shoot.

is there a rule that says after x amount of fouls in a row, a player is automatically defeated? we play APA rules, btw.
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Da Poet said:
APA rule is pretty close to the BCA rule except both players only have to agree that they each do not want to shoot for there to be a re-rack.

http://www.poolplayers.com/tmanual.pdf

Here's the link.
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Opps! Your right. I missed that when looking over the rulebook. Thanks for the link there :)



Vic
 
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I'll have to try this out on an actual table later, but to avoid the possible battle over the stalemate (which frankly you have the worst of) I would probably play safe behind the nine, and then assuming I get BIH I would again play safe behind the 12 and then win.

I have only seen one actual stalemate occur in APA league play, and that one was an accidental version of your situation where 2 balls froze to the 8 in the jaws.
 
ziskan1013 said:
I am playing a game of 8ball earlier today with a friend. Down to the last few balls, game turns into a defensive pissing match.
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What software did you use to produce these images?
 
Just for fun, if I were solids, I would try to either drive the cue ball up the rail and let it fall on top of the 8 ball, or shoot the 9, pocket the 8, leaving the 9 and 12 stuck at the pockets in such way that neither of them can be pocketed, while seeing the 8 spotted?
 
is it possible with nice control for the player with stripes to jump the cueball into the lip of the pocket so that it bounces back towards the pocket opening, and bumps the 8 backwards?

Just a for-fun thing I've wondered for quite some time. I've had games like this too. I think what the player with stripes must do is figure out a way to herd his stripes away from the 8, each time leaving the other guy safe. To that end, would it be counted as a regular foul or a special intentional foul if you tried to shoot from literally on top of a rail? Like the rail to the left of the 9 in the final diagram? If it's a regular foul the game might be playable but if it's an intentional foul it might be one of those weird 'automatic loss of game' things.
 
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