Thin Cut Shot

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DrCue'sProtege

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how do you posters handle this situation?

the shot on the '1' Ball is extremely thin, pretty much to the point where to make the '1' Ball you have to lose control of the cue ball.

can this shot be hit with some type of spin/english that would kill the cueball off the rail and possibly hold it near the middle of table for the '2' Ball? or would you risk going up and down the table, hoping none of the other balls gets in the way and you end up with a shot on the '2'? or do you just play safe from the get go?

DCP

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Low-inside would probably be the best kill shot you could hit. With the table wide open like this, though, the last thing you want to do is hang the 1 up, and it would be easy to do that if you're trying to kill the cb. The 3 is not hard to get on, so pretty much any makeable shot on the 2 will be fine; depending on the speed of the table, I might be tempted to hit it with a touch of outside and try to stop somewhere near the 5. I would not try to go up & down (or around) the table on this shot, too much traffic; I would play the shot with no english and try to bump into the 2 before I would try going around the table.

Good luck!
 
Just a dose of reality for shooters like me;

This is a tough shot. Shooting this far at a thin cut shot like this WITH side spin is usually a disaster.

Personally, I would either sell out on the one ball, and hope for the best, or play safe on the one ball.

If you have the skills to spin the one ball in (skills way beyond what I possess) reliably, and gain position on the two, you should be giving advise on a shot like this, not asking!

BTW, if your a 9 ball hunter, or you just like to make people angry, you could carom off the one into the nine for the easy win! But, that's not what I would do.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
how do you posters handle this situation?


can this shot be hit with some type of spin/english that would kill the cueball off the rail and possibly hold it near the middle of table for the '2' Ball? or would you risk going up and down the table, hoping none of the other balls gets in the way and you end up with a shot on the '2'? or do you just play safe from the get go?

DCP

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Keith McCready has posted and wrote about this shot a few times. Kill it with inside. I can't recall what he calls it. The dippy do?

And I think the was the shot is drawn, the cueball has to be at least sliding, so you have to hit it low. So, swerve is heavily in play. You have to get the "feels" for this shot, as Keith would say.

On slow cloth, you probably can get away with center ball.

Fred
 
The shot on the 1 doesn't look too thin. It seems if you slow roll the CB with a bit of left, you'll be able to just pocket the 1 with decent shape on the 2.

However, if you don't like slow-rolling balls, another option is to just end the game early. ;) Hit a stun shot on the 1 ball such that you aim the 1 around the first diamond of the end rail. If things go perfectly, then the CB will carom off the 1 and pocket the 9. If not, then the CB will settle around the corner pocket while the 1 goes up table, hopefully behind some of the other balls.

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I don't like hitting a soft long shot like this with any more than a tip of english. Different speeds of cloth will result in different amounts of curve. Slow cloth will curve more and the spin will wear out faster than on fast cloth. So unless you have been playing on the tables for a few hours you probably won't make this.

I hit this with just draw hoping to get some position on the 2. As long as you don't miss or hook yourself you can always play safe.
 
I don't what ...

it is, but in DCP's new threads, the first post, I do not ever get a table layout or link to a layout, only the old 'Wei Table Help'. I have no problem going to Cuetable and getting a layout, or bringing one in.

So, I can not comment on shots he describes (and enjoy). Does anyway have an idea why I don't get a link or a copied layout? I have gone from an old machine '98 to a new machine with XP recently, and yes, I have the latest Shockwave.
 
I would opt to hit w/OS english This is a feel shot. Point is you have to make the one. You should be able to get on the correct side of the 2 ball, even if you end up tapping it there is a chance a safety or even on the 2 into a different pocket are options. If you end up short and never get to the other side, you can pocket the 2 in the same pocket as the 1.

IMO this is a good example of what a player feels more confident in, is the correct ans.
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
how do you posters handle this situation?

the shot on the '1' Ball is extremely thin, pretty much to the point where to make the '1' Ball you have to lose control of the cue ball.

can this shot be hit with some type of spin/english that would kill the cueball off the rail and possibly hold it near the middle of table for the '2' Ball? or would you risk going up and down the table, hoping none of the other balls gets in the way and you end up with a shot on the '2'? or do you just play safe from the get go?

DCP

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There isn't a lot of risk going up and down the table IMHO as there is plenty of space in the middle of the table to play shape on the two ball and I would use just a touch of inside english to keep the cue ball tracking up and down the table free of traffic (two rail shape) and plan on getting the cue ball back to the middle of the table. If it gets perfect shape so be it but I would be comfortable shooting the two ball from the middle of the table.
JoeyA
 
I would just play this with a little low left and go 2 rails with the CB and shoot the 2 in the same pocket.

With Low left you actually aim just a hair "fuller" on the one ball to make it

You are also stretching the distance that the CB gets to travel for shape on the 2.
 
I think Egg McDogit's solution is the best one, as the cue ball will track naturally and you can stroke the shot normally. By the way, that really isn't a thin cut at all. Now, just move that one ball three inches or so closer to the end rail and you'll have a real thin cut.

Flex
 
jsp said:
The shot on the 1 doesn't look too thin. It seems if you slow roll the CB with a bit of left, you'll be able to just pocket the 1 with decent shape on the 2.

However, if you don't like slow-rolling balls, another option is to just end the game early. ;) Hit a stun shot on the 1 ball such that you aim the 1 around the first diamond of the end rail. If things go perfectly, then the CB will carom off the 1 and pocket the 9. If not, then the CB will settle around the corner pocket while the 1 goes up table, hopefully behind some of the other balls.

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This is a good option because even if you hit the 1 ball a bit thin, you have a margin of error to make the nine because it's close to the rail AND it will put the one ball down talbe if you miss.
 
Gregg said:
Just a dose of reality for shooters like me;

This is a tough shot. Shooting this far at a thin cut shot like this WITH side spin is usually a disaster.

Personally, I would either sell out on the one ball, and hope for the best, or play safe on the one ball.

If you have the skills to spin the one ball in (skills way beyond what I possess) reliably, and gain position on the two, you should be giving advise on a shot like this, not asking!

BTW, if your a 9 ball hunter, or you just like to make people angry, you could carom off the one into the nine for the easy win! But, that's not what I would do.
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Why not? The shot on the nine looks like it's in play! The shot on the 1 is very difficult and since you have a long and thin hit, controlling the cue-ball won't be easy and that 2 is tough to get to. You can ride the nine, send the 1 two rails in the lower-right corner and likely leave your opponent long, tough and possibly safe.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Why not? The shot on the nine looks like it's in play! The shot on the 1 is very difficult and since you have a long and thin hit, controlling the cue-ball won't be easy and that 2 is tough to get to. You can ride the nine, send the 1 two rails in the lower-right corner and likely leave your opponent long, tough and possibly safe.
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I agree with Jude. Most of the other shots I've seen leave a pretty large risk of hooking yourself. Why risk screwing yourself, if you can take a two way shot where one way is winning the game and the other way is playing an effective safe? Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
I agree with Jude. Most of the other shots I've seen leave a pretty large risk of hooking yourself. Why risk screwing yourself, if you can take a two way shot where one way is winning the game and the other way is playing an effective safe? Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

-Andrew
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I agree. Remember though some may play this shot with as much accuracy as any other shot and position is second nature. Others may see it as more challenging. Interesting would be how Efrin would play it, how Ralph would play it and others. Just like different thoughts here, I would image they also would share different ones as well. Would be interesting.

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I agree with BRKNRUN and Pete -------

"That's the way you do it.......money for nothun and your chicks for free"

IMO -- It's not a razor thin cut, hit softly with a little bit of lower left, don't expect dramatic help from the bit of english. After two rails you should be back near the lower left rail - middle of the table and in position to shoot the 2 into the upper left corner. Be as specific as you can when targeting a spot for cue ball position.

Don't think I would attempt to carom into the 9 on this shot, would be a low probability shot for me and too many bad things could happen.
 
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Jigger said:
"That's the way you do it.......money for nothun and your chicks for free"

IMO -- It's not a razor thin cut, hit softly with a little bit of lower left, don't expect dramatic help from the bit of english. After two rails you should be back near the lower left rail - middle of the table and in position to shoot the 2 into the upper left corner. Be as specific as you can when targeting a spot for cue ball position.

Don't think I would attempt to carom into the 9 on this shot, would be a low probability shot for me and too many bad things could happen.
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K, problem here is, it may not be "razor" thin but it's thin and you're a good distance away so hitting softly is not going to be high-percentage. You're simply relying on the equipment a little too much. Secondly, you NEED english if you're taking this approach otherwise, you're running right into the 2-ball which may not be the worst thing in the world but you're leaving your position to chance.

If you look at the play on the 9 and extend the path of the cue-ball toward the lower-right corner, you see that it will inevitably run into something, splitting up the two balls, leaving your opponent long with a 2-ball on the other side of the table. I think it's worth the risk.
 
Ah Ha!

Well, I found a work-a-round for my problem of not seeing the layout. I use Netscape 8.1 browser (which displays the same eay IE does), but when I switched to display the thread as 'Foxfire' does, the layout appeared. But, it does take forever for the screen to return to you.

Now, for the shot - Unless I was playing a player better than myself, I would not hesitate to cut the 1 into the corner using low right english (inside english) and kill and pull the cue a lttle (like a draw shot) more towards the 9 before it hit the rail, then the inside english would 'straighten up' the cue so it that when it came, softly, off the bottom long rail, it would hit about the middle diamond.

You want to cut the 2 into the same pocket as the 1, but you want to cut it to the left, or straight in. You really don't want to cut it to the right because getting on the 3 the right way could be a problem because of the 9 ball.

Other considerations - A straight carom (no rails) trying to make the 9, and not the 1, you would end up hitting the one pretty hard, and it could end coming back downtable towards where the cue would be (but you could control the cue better.

The only real way to play a carom on the 9 is to hit the 1, come over off the end rail, and then cut the 9 into the corner, but this presents another
problem, although you hit on the 1 would be more in control, the cue could
not make the 9, but come caroming off the 9 and be sent uptable to the
general area of the 1 ball, and in doing so, leave a shot for your opponent.

So, it 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. I would go ahead and shoot the 1 ball in, like I first described.
 
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