This auction ad link B.S. is killing me!!!

Well Said.

VonRhett said:
OK, so last week Mike didn't agree with me that this was form of spyware.

Semantics, I assure you.

Here is the unadulterated fact of what's happening:

1) User clicks on a link to EBAY.

2) This action takes him to another site, off the original (AZ) but not the intended target (EBAY). THIS IS CALLED A "REDIRECT"!!

3) You are now, be it ever so temporary, on the Auction Ad site. While there, they place a Tracking Cookie on your PC.

4) With their Tracking Cookie in place on your PC, you are re-directed to the original intended target, Ebay.

For those users with low security settings, this is transparent. You are not even aware of it. But your PC now has a Tracking Cookie that you don't want.

Those users with tighter settings are being notified of the redirect. Most Corporate systems, Government networks, etc., will not allow this behavior
since it is considered INTRUSIVE.

Auction Ads pays site owners a fee for this, since they get to Track countless users surfing habits. Said data is sold to marketing companies and advertisers.
They claim that the data is only sold in the aggregate, but with a Tracking Cookie on your machine, do you really want to risk that?

Many large internet companies have been busted for compiling individual data.

The only way around it is to not visit sites that place these Tracking Cookies on your PC.

So - DO NOT CLICK ON EBAY LINKS ON AZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reps for you.
 
a9ballbr8k said:
Caveat Emptor. "Buyer Beware". How does this relate to this? :rolleyes:
True, IE may be free, but if you use it, beware! IM(ns)HO you don't even get what you pay for that software!!
 
Downloads without Clicking!

This just popped up on my screen without me clicking on any links.

It's definitely some kind of spyware or adware that's goofy.

I am running Firefox, with Karpesky Antivirus and Windows Firewall on.

This is the first time that this has appeared.
 

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a9ballbr8k said:
Wow. :confused: I have a $1100.00 (plus) laptop that duel boots into Vista or XP...whatever I choose, I set it up that way. It has tons of quality software and top of the line security. I cannot redirect to the link BECAUSE of all the security (:cool: ) I have on the puter. AVG is probably one of, if not the, best anti-virus I have used to date and yes I have tried them all and so have my friends who are computer programmers and builders and they agree. So as for me getting what I paid for, Yeah I don't have a POS computer with unlimited holes open for hackers and spyware and blah..blah..blah. I certainly got what I paid for. :cool:


First off you can have a $500 machine or a $5000 machine. If it isn't set up right security wise it isn't going to matter!

Second off who cares if you have it set up for Vista and XP? What do you actually gain by that other than the fact that you have taken up more hard drive space on your PC? The only advantage I could see to that is if you have a program that won't run in Vista, and you wanted to keep the program.

Just because you have AGV doesn't mean you have the whole Internet Security Suite. AntiVirus is great, but without the whole suite you are not fully protected. If you are running the free version of AGV, and the Free version on AdAware, then you are playing with fire!

As far as AGV being the best, your computer programming friends are very incorrect. Go and find out who has been winning the competitions the last few years and you will see.

Most major companies in the IT world are not using AGV to protect their computers. (Not saying it is a bad program, just not the best.)

Now it is good to have an internet security suite along with an awesome spyware protector on top of that. It is also good to have something like crap cleaner, or window washer to take care of temporary stuff on your computer too. From the sounds of it Crap Cleaner would take care of your situation, and it is Free so you wouldn't have to worry about spending your money on it!

I will tell you right now that several people in my family now call me up for my opinion on this as I have keep their computers more secure, and they haven't had the constant problems anymore. They used to get viruses, popups, spam, adware, spyware, etc, etc. Most people have spyware on their computer and don't even know it!

I work for the largest wireless company in the US, and all of our IT personal said that AGV isn't their choice for Antivirus or Internet Security! Take that for what it is worth.

(OH BY THE WAY, I AM NOT GETTING THE STUPID LITTLE POP UP OR REDIRECT THAT YOU SEEM TO BE GETTING. SO WHICH ONE IS BETTER?)

 
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arsenius said:
Slow down there, VonRhett. Breathe. Now go delete your cookies. That should be the end of your problem. No more Evil Tracking Cookies.

If you are using Firefox, it has an option to delete your cookies every time you exit the browser. If you don't like doing that all the time, you can even disable cookies for certain sites. Go to Tools->Options->Privacy->Cookies->Exceptions and add ads.auctionads.com and auctionads.com to your exceptions list.

If you are using IE, then Caveat Emptor... I won't run that for more than 30 seconds at a time...

Firefox will also let you do this automatically everytime you close out their browser. Set it and forget it! Therefore it is always done when you exit out of their browser.

Firefox is 10x more user friendly than Netscape or Internet Exploder! LOL
 
a9ballbr8k said:
I have adaware and avg, when I click on the link for an ebay auction from this forum....it takes me to auctionad...blah blah blah. It has nothing to do with searching for porn as I get laid more than a chicken's eggs.

I have to delete whatever is before the part of the url with ebay in it. Understand? For example when I go to this thread http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=74273&highlight=ebay and clink on the ebay link I get this

http://ads.auctionads.com/pagead/li...ryZ21212QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

See how it has "blocked ads" on that page or no?

You don't have to go to a porn site to get adware or spyware. Anyone that is getting this redirect has some form of adware or spyware. How many times do we have to tell you that, before you go in and clean it up? LOL

And whoever said to lower your security settings is incorrect. This will only make you more susceptible to spyware and adware.
 
VonRhett said:
OK, so last week Mike didn't agree with me that this was form of spyware.

Semantics, I assure you.

Here is the unadulterated fact of what's happening:

1) User clicks on a link to EBAY.

2) This action takes him to another site, off the original (AZ) but not the intended target (EBAY). THIS IS CALLED A "REDIRECT"!!

3) You are now, be it ever so temporary, on the Auction Ad site. While there, they place a Tracking Cookie on your PC.

4) With their Tracking Cookie in place on your PC, you are re-directed to the original intended target, Ebay.

For those users with low security settings, this is transparent. You are not even aware of it. But your PC now has a Tracking Cookie that you don't want.

Those users with tighter settings are being notified of the redirect. Most Corporate systems, Government networks, etc., will not allow this behavior
since it is considered INTRUSIVE.

Auction Ads pays site owners a fee for this, since they get to Track countless users surfing habits. Said data is sold to marketing companies and advertisers.
They claim that the data is only sold in the aggregate, but with a Tracking Cookie on your machine, do you really want to risk that?

Many large internet companies have been busted for compiling individual data.

The only way around it is to not visit sites that place these Tracking Cookies on your PC.

So - DO NOT CLICK ON EBAY LINKS ON AZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Well stated, and well written! Reps coming your way for being a smart cookie!
 
txplshrk said:
Firefox will also let you do this automatically everytime you close out their browser. Set it and forget it! Therefore it is always done when you exit out of their browser.

Firefox is 10x more user friendly than Netscape or Internet Exploder! LOL
That's the setting I was talking about. Every time you exit FF it will prompt you to find out if you want to do it though, so sadly there is no forgetting it (unless I missed another setting). I have it set on my work computer and every day it asks me when I go home "Do you want to clear personal data?" That's what I meant by "Doing that all the time."

Instead of "Set it and forget it" it's "Set it and get constantly reminded.":-) Still, the result is the same. No cookies after closing.
 
arsenius said:
That's the setting I was talking about. Every time you exit FF it will prompt you to find out if you want to do it though, so sadly there is no forgetting it (unless I missed another setting). I have it set on my work computer and every day it asks me when I go home "Do you want to clear personal data?" That's what I meant by "Doing that all the time."

Instead of "Set it and forget it" it's "Set it and get constantly reminded.":-) Still, the result is the same. No cookies after closing.


Go into the tools tab at the top of the browser. Now go to options tab. Now go to the Privacy tab. You will see an option at the bottom of the privacy tab that says ask me before clearing private data. Take the check mark off and it won't ask you anymore. It will just do it when you close out the browser! SET IT AND FORGET IT! LOL The only time I have had to check it again was after firefox went to their latest and greatest update, but that only took me a couple seconds to reset all my settings.
 
The only problem with that setting is that you're taking the nasty cookie for that session. I'm not sure if that's really a big deal or not, since you at least purge it at the end of the session.

However, there's an additional level of analness that you can go for, if you like. In the privacy tab, under cookies, you can change the "keep until" drop down to "ask me every time". So now I never get those nasty cookies in the first place. The downside is that you get a FireFox pop-up asking you if you want a cookie, but there is a checkbox that lets you save your selection for the given website.

So, for example, the first time I visit AzBilliards after making that change in FF, it asks me if I want an AzBilliards.com cookie. I check the checkbox so that it remembers my choice, and then say yes to the cookie. Visiting AzBilliards, it also asks if I want the third party cookie for the ads.adwhateveritwas.com site, so I make sure the checkbox is checked and then click "hell no, I don't want that moldy old cookie".

I don't know if there's any practical advantage to this, but I like the idea that the marketing websites never stuff a cookie down my throat in the first place.
 
You misinterpreted my post. My system and network is tighter than a nun. I never ever have problems. I was using Mozilla's browser when it was in beta and never looked back.

I was merely explaining to other people what's going on. And why some users were getting messages and others weren't. They (note "they, not "we") were all getting the same cookies forced on their machine.

And the focus here should not be "how to delete a tracking cookie", but rather "how to avoid getting them in the first place".

-von

arsenius said:
Slow down there, VonRhett. Breathe. Now go delete your cookies. That should be the end of your problem. No more Evil Tracking Cookies.
 
VonRhett said:
And the focus here should not be "how to delete a tracking cookie", but rather "how to avoid getting them in the first place".

-von
That is easy.....Don't click on any ebay links on AZ.:mad: :rolleyes:
 
txsplshark....I'm not going to partake in a pissing contest. Seems like every other thread on here nowadays turns into one. I digress. Getting back to the subject, I am not the only one experiencing this problem and I only wanted to bring it to attention.
 
a9ballbr8k said:
txsplshark....I'm not going to partake in a pissing contest. Seems like every other thread on here nowadays turns into one. I digress. Getting back to the subject, I am not the only one experiencing this problem and I only wanted to bring it to attention.


Didn't want to turn it into a pissing contest. Just telling you that the problem your having can be solved by having the proper programs. Just trying to make your world a little easier and less complicated. You don't want the advice then that is cool, don't take the advice. In other words keep having the problems your experiencing. Other people might take my advice, and might want to know how to keep that problem from irritating them too.
 
Most of you are not "getting" it. There is no anti-virus, anti-spyware or anti-adware detector that will stop this. THIS IS A SIMPLE REDIRECTION LINK, as Von Rhett tried to explain.

It takes you to a web page where code first inserts a COOKIE on your computer, then redirects you almost immediately to the site you first thought you were going.

Sometimes, in the code on this site, other things can also be done, as John Barton just showed us, before redirection to the original target site is completed.

As long as you SIMPLY CLOSE THE POP-UP (such as the one JB showed us), you are fine and will be redirected to your eBay site with only the ERASABLE cookie implanted on your computer.

Over the last two years, I have run into similar problems on other sites with MANY click-through advertisers. A few of them have proven to be occasionally INVASIVE -- among them is AUCTIONADS!!!

AZHousePro -- NOTE THE ABOVE STATEMENT -- and FIND SOME OTHER ad-agency with which to do business -- GET RID OF AUCTIONADS!!!

The innocent looking little pop-up that John Barton received claims to add protection to your computer but, in fact, is actually SPYWARE!!! If you click on (accept) this pop-up, AdAware, Spybot S&D, AVG, and all the rest will INDEED finally have something to detect!!!

This particular pop-up is at least TWO YEARS OLD, as I have seen it show up on all types of PCs of ALL configurations (OS, Browser-type, etc.). Auctionads is among those invasive companies that employ ROGUE POP-UPs from time-to-time.

ALL PC owners (don't know about Macs), here is the solution. When you click on a "hotlink," your browser (doesn't matter WHICH browser-type) does DNS resolution ON-BOARD your own computer FIRST before it goes out to the net. So, if you can send the DNS query to a b.s. address FIRST, the hotlink's DNS query CANNOT LEAVE your computer! ALL PCs have a file named:

HOSTS

This filename is ALL CAPS (although case doesn't really matter) and has NO "PERIOD" or EXTENSION (such as, ".txt," ".exe," etc.) after its name. To the best of my knowledge, this file can be found here:

C:\\Windows\ (Win98)
C:\\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ETC\ (Win XP Pro)

I'm not sure of the location in Win2K or Vista, but you get the idea -- if you don't know where it is, do a filename search for HOSTS and use whichever one turns up on c:\\Windows or one of its sub-directories (sub-folders).

When you find this file, open it with eiher NOTEPAD or WORDPAD.

Anything on a line beginning with a "#" is a comment and will not have any effect on the file's directives -- that is, they will not execute any code on your computer. The FIRST line WITHOUT a "#" at its beginning defines your "bitbucket" and MUST READ:

127.0.0.1 localhost

If it's not there, PUT IT THERE! Then, anywhere after this line, type:

127.0.0.1 ads.auctionads.com

then SAVE and close the file. This works IMMEDIATELY and does NOT require a REBOOT!!! You can quickly disable this file, at any time, by RENAMING it -- don't forget to rename it again to its original name afterwards ... ;)

Now, any request, whether accidental or intentional, for any hotlink to this address WILL NOT LEAVE YOUR COMPUTER. As a result, two things happen:

1. Any ad referenced by this link will simply not appear and will not, in any way, affect the functionality of the current web page.

2. Any re-direction by this link will be STOPPED IN ITS TRACKS -- you will get an Error Page stating either that the page cannot be found or that it cannot be opened. You will be left AT THIS PAGE (still inside your own computer and NOT out on the 'net!) and will not be redirected any further as, not having found the page, there is no further redirection code available to be executed. This will NO LONGER click you through to eBay!

You can use this method to stop ANY ad site that bothers you. My HOSTS file is currently about 496k and contains well over 1,000 such lines. The amazing thing is that, even on my old 400MHz, Win98 computer, this thing is LIGHTNING FAST, in spite of its size!

Have fun!!! :D :cool: :D :cool: :D
 
Hey Mailman,

You are wrong sir. You can stop redirects by having enough safety tactics in place to keep redirecting cookies from even entering your system.

Trust me on this one I had to learn the hard way a few years ago, but my computer is locked up tight now. I only get what I want when I want it.
 
txplshrk said:
Hey Mailman,

You are wrong sir. You can stop redirects by having enough safety tactics in place to keep redirecting cookies from even entering your system.

Trust me on this one I had to learn the hard way a few years ago, but my computer is locked up tight now. I only get what I want when I want it.
Well, you are one lucky guy. Unfortunately not everyone is in the same boat you are in. So, instead of everyone having to go to the lengths that you did wouldn't the easier answer be to just get rid of the adware?

I appreciate that you don't have the problem. Why can't you appreciate that there are many of us who do instead of coming off as kinda self-righteous. Yes, there may be things that we could do to possibly deter this but I think it is sad that we would have to go to that much trouble just to visit our favorite pool site without the hassle of adware.
 
I already stated in this post that some people in here came up with some good ideas, and that I hope that everyone took those ideas to heart. I don't want anyone to have any problems on any site they want to visit. However, if they want to really put an end to it then they need to do some research and get the proper programs to prevent it. If they need any help all they have to do is ask.
 
txplshrk said:
I already stated in this post that some people in here came up with some good ideas, and that I hope that everyone took those ideas to heart. I don't want anyone to have any problems on any site they want to visit. However, if they want to really put an end to it then they need to do some research and get the proper programs to prevent it. If they need any help all they have to do is ask.
So are you saying that you think it is a better idea for all of the members of the forum to have to take action to "put an end to it" than for the admin just to remove the offending adware?

That is what I am getting from your posts.
 
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