Thoughts on the Z² shaft.

So, after playing with my Z² shaft for a few months, I've decided to swap back to the 314².

OK, I've done quite well with the Z², even knocking a much higher ranked player out a local tournament with it, but over the past few days I've started to have creeping doubts about playing with it...

Even if this is just in my head, it's still something that's affecting my game, so as of last night I'm back to the 314², at least for a while. There's something nice about knowing that it's now a 'level playing field' in terms of me and the other guy. You know, if I miss now, I won't have that feeling of "would I have missed with a wider tip?".

So, I'll update this thread with a sitreps after I play the next tournament with the 314²...
 
No, but I did solve the mystery of why I miscue a lot when I fiddled with my tip yesterday (stop sniggering).

The tip the cue came with was rock hard and pretty flat - no miscues at all.
I changed it for another that was rock hard and flat - no miscues.
Changed it for a Talisman layered, played with it until it flattened - no miscues.
Shaped it to a nice dome yesterday, thinking it'd help with draw, and miscue-city came roaring back into town.

Now I know why I miscue - my vast array of miracle cure tip tools are going in the bin. Flat tips are the way for me from now on.

Did you use to miscue on draw or follow, or sides? or all?
 
No, but I did solve the mystery of why I miscue a lot when I fiddled with my tip yesterday (stop sniggering).

The tip the cue came with was rock hard and pretty flat - no miscues at all.
I changed it for another that was rock hard and flat - no miscues.
Changed it for a Talisman layered, played with it until it flattened - no miscues.
Shaped it to a nice dome yesterday, thinking it'd help with draw, and miscue-city came roaring back into town.

Now I know why I miscue - my vast array of miracle cure tip tools are going in the bin. Flat tips are the way for me from now on.
I don't know if you use a Predator shaft or not but I find with most
LD shafts that anything more than a nickel shape will get constant
miscues.
I've played with Predator shafts most of my playing life and my current
tips are a nickel or maybe a titch flatter.I can dig as low as I like and
not miscue.
Everytime I've went more than a nickel on a Predator shaft,I suddenly
entered the same city you did.Goodluck
 
Flat Tip?

I've used extreme english for many, many years & have always preferred a 'flat' tip with the edges softened by just 'rounding' the edge.

The soft tip compresses more & takes on the shape of a 'radius' at the contact point during contact.

I do not concur with what some say, IMHO, to me, this combination of tip parameters allows more 'grab' when hitting out on the edge of miscue with a slower speed stroke. To me 'grab'/friction also results in more contact time, which, to me, also means more spin to speed ratio.

Science is science, but perception, 'feel', confidence, & minute differences are just as significant & important, at least to me.

Best Wishes to ALL,
 
No, but I did solve the mystery of why I miscue a lot when I fiddled with my tip yesterday (stop sniggering).

The tip the cue came with was rock hard and pretty flat - no miscues at all.
I changed it for another that was rock hard and flat - no miscues.
Changed it for a Talisman layered, played with it until it flattened - no miscues.
Shaped it to a nice dome yesterday, thinking it'd help with draw, and miscue-city came roaring back into town.

Now I know why I miscue - my vast array of miracle cure tip tools are going in the bin. Flat tips are the way for me from now on.




Shalom friend, I think you should consider taking some lessons from a pool instructor. You will learn how to correctly strike a ball playing with any tip shape. I often tell beginner players this in hopes of cutting down there learning time.
 
Shalom friend, I think you should consider taking some lessons from a pool instructor. You will learn how to correctly strike a ball playing with any tip shape. I often tell beginner players this in hopes of cutting down there learning time.
This being your first post,its quite obvious you know your stuff.
Welcome to the forum:smile:
 
So...

...played a few matches with the 314 yesterday. Started off feeling confident, and played pretty well, but somehow rail shots just didn't come off for love nor money.

Just to see what would happen I went back to the Z after a few hours play, and instantly started making rail shots again.

For good or bad reasons I had started to doubt the wisdom of using a Z shaft, but it seems now that I'm basically married to it. Tournament coming up on Sunday, and without a doubt I'll be using the Z.

Damn my flip-flop brain. :angry:
 
So...

...played a few matches with the 314 yesterday. Started off feeling confident, and played pretty well, but somehow rail shots just didn't come off for love nor money.

Just to see what would happen I went back to the Z after a few hours play, and instantly started making rail shots again.

For good or bad reasons I had started to doubt the wisdom of using a Z shaft, but it seems now that I'm basically married to it. Tournament coming up on Sunday, and without a doubt I'll be using the Z.

Damn my flip-flop brain. :angry:

My advice: choose one, stick with it, forget about the other.
 
I know a guy who spent months flipflopping. Caused more misses than I can count, and this is a strong player with a good mental game.

You're falling into the trap I was trying to warn you about - "Would I have missed with a wider tip?" ...YES.

Spare yourself the anguish and sell one of them. You've had a long enough test drive. Doesn't matter which, as honestly they both hit balls the same way and you've had doubts while playing with both.

If you don't do this, you will doom yourself to the hell of playing the what-if game forever. It absolutely will ruin your game because you will keep focusing on something irrelevant like tip diameter instead of how you're playing pool. When my friend finally committed to the shaft he bought, he stopped missing those makeable shots. You will too.

It's like obsessing over which fork to use when you're trying to lose weight. The salad's in front of you, eat the f*ing thing :)
 
CreeDo is dead on. Buy it, get used to it, stay with it. I used to do this with putters and it got ridiculous, haven't changed in 8yrs. now.
 
Yeah, definitely going to stick with the Z² shaft from now on. Anyone want to buy the 314², you know where to find me. :wink:
 
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