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is as said before, drill the hole and install the pin first, then if you can find an metal joint protector, most are made on a lathe, and have a 3 jaw chuck on the wood lathe, chuck up on the joint protector, and now cut the taper concentric to the pin. You should be able to cut away any out of round or non concentric problems. you can also make a simple straight edge guide and use a router bit to cut the butt wood, it does a much smoother job than any gouge. A butt does not need a curve, so you only need to give it a straight cut, and the right amount of taper.
 
macguy said:
I'll describe a little later when I get a few minutes how to drill a perfect hole and install a screw with a wood lathe. Guys can even just take a house cue they like cut it down and joint it perfectly, for a sneaky pete. it's actually easy

Like I said I used to be a member of a wood turners club and you should see what those guys do, it makes building a cue look like childs play. We would visit different guys shops and some of them were amazing. One guy had a bunch of lathes and one of them was huge and had a chain hoist above it to get the wood into the lathe. He would turn like 50 pound pieces into big vessels and complicated turnings that were hard to tell how it was done if you didn't see him do it.

I saw one guy making a vessel that had a 1 inch opening and was about 10 inches in diameter. He worked through the hole with a curved tool and when he was done the final piece was so delicate he put a light behind it and you could see the tool cutting on the inside. Anyway their talents are nothing short of amazing. As far as drilling a centered hole in a piece of wood on a wood lathe it is wood turning 101, the same method used to make a lamp or flute what ever. You do need proper turnings tools such as a good wood lathe and tail piece. Drill chuck, steady rest and a chuck for the head stock.

You first drill 60 degree center in the block of wood at each end and put it between centers. You can turn the whole piece round or just the first inch at each end. Say you turn just an inch at each end after you have done that you take the piece of wood out of the lathe and mount the chuck. Then put one end you have turned round in the chuck and the other end to the center that is in the tail stock.

Once you have it between the chuck and the center you now take the steady rest and set it to the end of the piece of wood where it is centered at the tail piece. Tighten the steady rest and set the fingers against the part you have turned round tight enough so it can't wobble. Some times you may want to use some wax on the piece. Now the piece is perfect between centers and to the steady rest. Back out the tail piece and replace the center with a drill chuck and drill the hole and tap it.

You have to be sure that there is still some of the bevel so you can put it between centers again. If you were building a butt say from Birds eye and handle stock with a butt sleeve you do basically the same thing but you would drill for the tenon and once you have assembled the pieces then finish turning the butt. This would not be what one would want to do if they were tying to sell cues but a guy with a good wood lathe and a few tools can have some fun building himself a cue. For a shaft he may want to fit a shaft off a house cue. I doubt the average guy could turn a shaft. I'll tell you something funny.

I had the group over to the shop for a meeting I showed how to do points and veneers and turned a shaft. I thought they would be impressed but in reality, the way a cue is built doesn't even compare to what they do, I was actually a little embarrassed. I could tell they were looking at it like, "Is that it"? Talking about the skill a wood turner can have I was in Scotland and went to a bagpipe factory that was like 200 years old. I watchd a guy turn piece after piece into spindles by hand on a a 100 year old plus lathe in a few minutes that you could mike and each one would be perfect. I wrote all this pretty quick but I hope it made some sense.

I know a lot of guys have wood lathes in their shops for sanding and so on, if they never have, they should get some turning tools and do some real woodturning. Make vase or plate or something, it can be really addictive, I'm not very good but I love it.
Check out this site
http://www.woodturner.org/sym/sym2002/photos/PhotoDisplay.cfm?record=27
 
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JoeyInCali said:
This I'd like to see.

I don't really understand your post, what do you find so mystifying about drilling a hole? If you read the post I made that outlines the procedure you will see it is the same thing you will find in any machinist manual for drilling or boring using a steady rest. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but Balabushka didn't have a lathe big enough to put a whole cue through the head stock and I am sure he did his drilling and boring very much like I described except he probably had a jig or two he had made up and may have used collates and so on. It is certainly easier doing it using the steady rest method on a metal lathe then a wood lathe with hand tools but the principles are the same.
 
macguy said:
I don't really understand your post, what do you find so mystifying about drilling a hole? .
We don't just drill the hole. We have to drill the hole undersized then bore it really clean. Varying sized collets are also used.
You can get away with a wood lathe but you will have pin that cue early b/c you'll have runout.
On cues pinned AFTER the finish is applied, the cue cannot have any runout.
 
JoeyInCali said:
We don't just drill the hole. We have to drill the hole undersized then bore it really clean. Varying sized collets are also used.
You can get away with a wood lathe but you will have pin that cue early b/c you'll have runout.
On cues pinned AFTER the finish is applied, the cue cannot have any runout.
I just described the method and principle, you can drill the hole last thing if you wish using a steady rest, bearing and collet, it's the same. These are just very, very basic machining procedures you would have learned in a high school shop class, no brain surgery here.

There are plenty of guys out there doing repairs or have something like a 9 inch south bend with a small bore that could be building cues if they knew how, we are not just necessarily talking about a wood lathe. This is how it is done on any lathe with a small bore.
 
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Mase said:
I have a friend who builds only snooker cues. He builds them with a "lathe" he built out of a drill and some wood. It is amazing what he can turn out with this equipment. He uses a master line as described above mounted behind the shaft and does all his cutting by hand. He fine tunes the taper with sandpaper.

During my younger days, a pseudo repair guy I knew fashioned out shafts using only broken bottle glass and turning the piece by hand... then sand a thousand years to get the taper :D

it's true...

Hadjcues
 
hadjcues said:
During my younger days, a pseudo repair guy I knew fashioned out shafts using only broken bottle glass and turning the piece by hand... then sand a thousand years to get the taper :D

it's true...

Hadjcues
That could be fun if it were beer bottles, and ya get to drink the beer first :)

It's all about making do with the tools a person has available to them.
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
It's all about making do with the tools a person has available to them.

This is really what this is about. Too many people are discouraged from taking on a challenge because they don't have some equipment or skill deemed 'neccesary'. It's a good thing that Maudsley did not get discouraged.

Dave

PS For those into some nice natural Birch, here is a shaft or butt (it's hard to tell) that has been started but not finished :
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Beaver-Chewings-...oryZ3126QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
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DaveK said:
This is really what this is about. Too many people are discouraged from taking on a challenge because they don't have some equipment or skill deemed 'neccesary'. It's a good thing that Maudsley did not get discouraged.

Dave

PS For those into some nice natural Birch, here is a shaft or butt (it's hard to tell) that has been started but not finished :
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Beaver-Chewings-...ryZ3126QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem
Just goes to show, it's true...Anything can be found on eBay.

Wonder if the beaver had a Pro Taper in mind? ;)
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
Wonder if the beaver had a Pro Taper in mind? ;)

Dunno, we'll have to ask Sheldon, rumour has it he trains them :D

Dave
 
well the first cue was a loss. WE HAD THE BUTT SECTION PERFECT!!! matched up flush with the wrap section. It was perfect. Then there was a problem with the forearm and the taper. We are making do with what we have, and it is possible. It just takes time, imagination, and a hell of lot of creativity. BTW the cue isn't a total loss. Even though the forearm ended up being 8 inches long. We now have a pretty impressive jump cue!! LIKEABANKKID can give you more details about the joint and the collar. Doing the wrap by hand gives you hand cramps, but it puts it evenly and tight on there. pressing it with the handles of wood turning tools was actually very affective. Though we got overlaps of the linen on the areas that were tight... :::cough cough LIKEABANKKID:::::: We are planning number two and have already learned what not to do.

Hey, on the wrap, how do you finish it off? you can't knot it, and the hole punched with an awl didn't seem to grab it all that well, and wrapping over the final piece would seem to make a bump in the wrap.

Thanks for all the information and keep them coming!!! It's amazing what some imagination and a 6 pack of bud can accomplish!!!
 
Yeah.. we sure know what not to do now.. and have gathered enough knowledge to make a decent cue. A lot of trial and error went into this thing, and although it may not be what we hoped for, I can say I sure enjoyed turning it. Piper did as well. His lathe skills are improving, he had troubles with taking too much off at one time, but that went away fast.

Check out the pic. Sorry but it is only from my cam phone. It has my Schon shaft on it.
 

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yeah it looks like it has a monster wobble in it. I haven't seen the finished product in person. Yes that is a purple heart butt. Anyone else find purple heart very stringy? It seemed to splinter real easy. That's a brass joint. contrary to the silver look. Yeah Bank, you need to invest in a digital camera.
 
I have a really nice digicam.. 6.1 megapixels too.. just didnt feel like grabbin it. Next cue will be well documented.
 
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