Tiger Woods

“If you don’t go out there and put in the work, you don’t go out and put in the effort, one, you’re not going to get the results, but two, and more importantly, you don’t deserve it. You need to earn it."

Funny, the same is true for marriage, family and your reputation as a person.
 
logical said:
Jack used a wood driver early in his career because that's what was available and what everyone used. He was carrying a persimmon driver when he won the Masters in 1986 but Agusta was not a long course then. He switched to metal about 3 years later.

Tiger, if I recall correctly played several rounds in various majors without hitting a driver once.

We can call Tiger #2 but what he did for golf in the modern era is unsurpassed.



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What Tiger did was grow the audience by attracting younger golfers & minorities while also playing some magnificent golf.
 
KissedOut said:
(snip a lot of good points)

And all there is on Jack's side is that 18 > 15.
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One other thing on Jack's side is the rest of his life and how he did that. His business acumen, family, etc., that is.

I think when picking the "best," there is usually more than just the sport's activities that matter. Maybe that's too much to ask.


Jeff Livingston
 
Bavafongoul said:
What Tiger did was grow the audience by attracting younger golfers & minorities while also playing some magnificent golf.
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I only played golf one summer. Bought clubs, took a few lessons and so on. I didn't like it and never played again. When Woods came around I began to watch golf. I haven't watched it since he left the game. Golf didn't need a Tiger Woods, but was better off for having had him.
The difference between golf and pool is the scale of the game. Everything that takes place on a golf course have a perceived difficulty to anyone who watches.
Pool is the complete opposite. The better the player the easier the game looks. At it's highest level it is very boring to non players. That is a problem that can't be over come not even by a pool equivalent of Tiger Woods. It is what dooms pool as a spectator sport.
 
middleofnowhere said:
I only played golf one summer. Bought clubs, took a few lessons and so on. I didn't like it and never played again. When Woods came around I began to watch golf. I haven't watched it since he left the game. Golf didn't need a Tiger Woods, but was better off for having had him.
The difference between golf and pool is the scale of the game. Everything that takes place on a golf course have a perceived difficulty to anyone who watches.
Pool is the complete opposite. The better the player the easier the game looks. At it's highest level it is very boring to non players. That is a problem that can't be over come not even by a pool equivalent of Tiger Woods. It is what dooms pool as a spectator sport.
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You are right…….pool isn’t like golf and we sure don’t have a Tiger Woods caliber player to root for.
As you aptly stated, if we did, he’d make it look so easy that viewers just wouldn’t appreciate his skills.
 
realtor1618 said:
Some numbers that show there is a little more on Jack’s side than just 18>15

19>7 Runner up finishes in majors for Jack
56>33 Top 5’s in majors for Jack
66>38 Top 10’s in majors for Jack
7>6 Consecutive Top 5’s in a major for Jack
13>8 Consecutive Top 10’s in a major for Jack
3>2 The Players Championships, an unofficial major, for Jack

I could go on and on as well. I put a big emphasis on major tournaments as do others. I put very little emphasis on personal lives. Although it may have had something to do with Jack’s longevity and health. Both were great and there is a reasonable argument that either is the greatest of all-time.
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I put no emphasis on second places or top tens. And as to Jack's 3>2 lead in Players, I'll stack Tiger's 18 wins in WGC events.

And as to the other poster's contention that majors were always the yardstick, that is just not true. The guy with the most majors before Jack was Walter Hagen an he was never regarded as the GOAT. One has to wonder, if majors were always the yardstick, why did Jack feel that to be the best he would need more PGA victories than Snead?
 
chefjeff said:
One other thing on Jack's side is the rest of his life and how he did that. His business acumen, family, etc., that is.

I think when picking the "best," there is usually more than just the sport's activities that matter. Maybe that's too much to ask.


Jeff Livingston
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I don't think I'd throw in business acumen on Jack's side. In his biography Jack described how he essentially went bankrupt developing Muirfield village and was only saved by bankers reluctant to call in loans which Jack had personally guaranteed.
 
middleofnowhere said:
Badly? That's what it will be. No one wants to become a joke. He plays/played to win and he won't.
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He’s already striking the ball well he just has no power until he builds his legs back up. That being said If tiger feels he can’t compete he won’t play in my opinion . To much pride for that
 
KissedOut said:
I don't think I'd throw in business acumen on Jack's side. In his biography Jack described how he essentially went bankrupt developing Muirfield village and was only saved by bankers reluctant to call in loans which Jack had personally guaranteed.
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That kind of thing happens in business. Jack's rep saved him, it seems.

Thanks for the additional info.


Jeff Livingston
 
trob said:
He’s already striking the ball well he just has no power until he builds his legs back up. That being said If tiger feels he can’t compete he won’t play in my opinion . To much pride for that
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What he has actually said, and the way it looked in the PNC, is that his short game is spot on, his swing is good but he hasn't been able to practice enough to get it to his standard, but the biggest issue is building up his legs to withstand walking 6 rounds on consecutive days on Pga-level courses. He actually had quite a bit of power at the PNC, but he needed a cart because he can't walk the course. Yet?
 
Boxcar said:
“If you don’t go out there and put in the work, you don’t go out and put in the effort, one, you’re not going to get the results, but two, and more importantly, you don’t deserve it. You need to earn it.

Tiger Woods, upon induction into The Golf Hall of Fame, March 9, 2022
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What kind of cue did Tiger use? opps HiJack
 
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Boxcar said:
“If you don’t go out there and put in the work, you don’t go out and put in the effort, one, you’re not going to get the results, but two, and more importantly, you don’t deserve it. You need to earn it.

Tiger Woods, upon induction into The Golf Hall of Fame, March 9, 2022
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Is Tiger the Efren of golf?
 
GoldCrown said:
Is Tiger the Efren of golf?
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In terms of virtuosity, yes. Family values, not so much....Efren Bata Reyes is a happily married man who has been in a marital relationship with his dear wife Susan Reyes for many decades. Nothing will ever make Tiger happy.
 
Boxcar said:
In terms of virtuosity, yes. Family values, not so much....Efren Bata Reyes is a happily married man who has been in a marital relationship with his dear wife Susan Reyes for many decades. Nothing will ever make Tiger happy.
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Was referring to his golf.... as for never being happy...he can afford not to. As for money...it can buy happiness. It can't buy poverty.
 
GoldCrown said:
Was referring to his golf.... as for never being happy...he can afford not to. As for money...it can buy happiness. It can't buy poverty.
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There's a demon in tiger's closet. Money can't kill it.

In terms of athletic virtuosity, Tiger and Efren are in a world of their own.
 
KissedOut said:
What he has actually said, and the way it looked in the PNC, is that his short game is spot on, his swing is good but he hasn't been able to practice enough to get it to his standard, but the biggest issue is building up his legs to withstand walking 6 rounds on consecutive days on Pga-level courses. He actually had quite a bit of power at the PNC, but he needed a cart because he can't walk the course. Yet?
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Well that’s good to hear. I think it’s amazing he’s even playing so it makes sense walking 18 would be difficult .
 
philly said:
A must read for anyone beginning to play the game of golf.
Not sure anyone was as consistent a ball striker as the "Wee ice man."
I have a signed picture of Hogan's famous one iron shot at the 1950 U.S. Open at Merion in my office at home.
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Another must read is "The Match" by Mark Frost if you're into Hogan and golf history.
 
Boxcar said:
There's a demon in tiger's closet. Money can't kill it.
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True. And screwing prostitutes with a lovely wife and babies at home is not exactly the best behavior. I think Charley Sheen got more criticism for screwing prostitutes than Eldrick. Eldrick seems to be in an ultra protected class, with unlimited nuthuggers.
 
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