Tighten up a Valley?

u12armresl

One Pocket back cutter
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Is it possible to tighten up a Valley 7ft?

If so I would think whoever recovers it will have an idea how.
But just for my own curiosity how would it be done if it can be done.
 
u12armresl said:
Is it possible to tighten up a Valley 7ft?

If so I would think whoever recovers it will have an idea how.
But just for my own curiosity how would it be done if it can be done.
It can't be done with the rails on your table already, you'd have to replace them as the pocket cut of them rails are designed to catch balls in the pockets and not to reject them, which by the way, the slate shelf is cut way back for the same purpose. The side pockets are already smaller than any side pocket you'll find on any 3 piece slate table, because with the frame side panel of that table being so close to the side pocket, as with most all coin-operated pool tables, there was no room in the rail to cut the side pocket any bigger as the results would have been that the pocket liner would have been in conflict with the side body panel. You can't just double or triple shim the facings in the corner pockets as that will actually close the pocket on you instead of making it tighter because of the angles of the pocket cuts. If you look at your corner pockets, you'll notice that the throat of the pocket is actually wider than the mouth of the pocket is, this was done as to create a sort of catchers mitt for the balls to help insure they go into the pockets. Then, if you have me build you a set of rails that has the correct pocket opening angles,the back of the rail facings are going to really stick out in the throat of the pocket, while the mouth of the pocket is at say...4 1/4", then because what you want is not normal for Valley tables, and it's not what I'm getting ready to start offering for sale on a national level, because my best friend and partner in NM, Kerry...finally talked me into building replacement rails for Valley/Dynamo/Global 7 & 8 foot coin operated pool tables, I'm going to have to say the cost of the rails you're looking to get to tighten up your 7ft Valley table is going to cost you $225.00...shipping included of course...minus cloth...what would you like to do?

Glen
 
Tightening up bar table pockets

I have tightened up bar Valley bar tables for a few people by placing a 1/4 inch shim on the back of the cushion securing it with contact cement, making sure there are holes for the bolts to pass through in the correct places, and covering them with cloth so they look standard.

This will tighten up the pockets about a half inch, it also deepens the shelf making the pocket play harder. "Caution" you may need to get bolts that are a 1/4 inch longer to hold your rails on and this does shrink the overall table dimensions a 1/2 inck by width and length but the length is still twice the width and it will play geometricly correct. Make sure the rail bolts are properly tightened for proper playing characteristics.

Now before anybody jumps on me, this was done for a couple of friends at their request on their home practice tables as a cheap alternative to properly lengthening the rails.

Anybody with questions can pm me or post them here.

Bern
 
u12armresl said:
Is it possible to tighten up a Valley 7ft?

If so I would think whoever recovers it will have an idea how.
But just for my own curiosity how would it be done if it can be done.



PM sent.............
 
Big Bad Bern said:
I have tightened up bar Valley bar tables for a few people by placing a 1/4 inch shim on the back of the cushion securing it with contact cement, making sure there are holes for the bolts to pass through in the correct places, and covering them with cloth so they look standard.

This will tighten up the pockets about a half inch, it also deepens the shelf making the pocket play harder. "Caution" you may need to get bolts that are a 1/4 inch longer to hold your rails on and this does shrink the overall table dimensions a 1/2 inck by width and length but the length is still twice the width and it will play geometricly correct. Make sure the rail bolts are properly tightened for proper playing characteristics.

Now before anybody jumps on me, this was done for a couple of friends at their request on their home practice tables as a cheap alternative to properly lengthening the rails.

Anybody with questions can pm me or post them here.

Bern
I'll pass on this one...LOL "Lazy people will always take a hard job, and find the easiest way to get 90% of it done" well done Bern...LOL
 
realkingcobra said:
I'll pass on this one...LOL "Lazy people will always take a hard job, and find the easiest way to get 90% of it done" well done Bern...LOL



yeah, I agree, no offense bern but that is kinda hacky
 
Realkingcobra, I sincerely hope you were not refering to me as lazy. I work very hard and found a creative solution to a problem for some friends, never did I state that this is the correct way to resolve this problem just an alternative I have experience with.

I enjoy your posts and the knowledge you bring and share with this forum, I also respect your opinions and your experience speaks for its self, but I also am a qualified billiard mechanic, one of two in Canada certified by the WPBA, (the other is my boss) I have set up and torn down two tournaments for them, the only two times they have been in Canada.

I know that I do a good job, I just don't feel the need to crow it from the roof tops.

I offer what information and help that I can when I see fit, to those who ask for it, if you don't agree or choose not to use it, I really could care less, if it helps someone else great thats why its there.

I would never presume to usurp your omnipotence!

Bern

DOES AN HONEST DAYS WORK, FOR AN HONEST DAYS PAY!
 
Big Bad Bern said:
Realkingcobra, I sincerely hope you were not refering to me as lazy. I work very hard and found a creative solution to a problem for some friends, never did I state that this is the correct way to resolve this problem just an alternative I have experience with.

I enjoy your posts and the knowledge you bring and share with this forum, I also respect your opinions and your experience speaks for its self, but I also am a qualified billiard mechanic, one of two in Canada certified by the WPBA, (the other is my boss) I have set up and torn down two tournaments for them, the only two times they have been in Canada.

I know that I do a good job, I just don't feel the need to crow it from the roof tops.

I offer what information and help that I can when I see fit, to those who ask for it, if you don't agree or choose not to use it, I really could care less, if it helps someone else great thats why its there.

I would never presume to usurp your omnipotence!

Bern

DOES AN HONEST DAYS WORK, FOR AN HONEST DAYS PAY!
Bern, I wasn't making fun of you or calling you lazy...LOL I was in fact giving you a complement...LOL. My referring to lazy and hard were in fact a point miss understood. I was referring to my years in the Army as a motor pool Sargent. I always could count on my lazy mechanics to get the hard jobs done by at least 90% so that my pro mechanics could have the time to finish more jobs. So what you did, I would never have thought of doing in a pinch, had I not had the tools to build the rails. So...in other words...you've done what I wouldn't have ever thought of doing...you beat me on that one, it's called improvising, and I don't improvise very well. I fix, rebuild, or replace.

Glen
 
Oops

Realkingcobra, my humblest apologies for the misunderstanding, I took your comments the wrong way and got a little hot, thank you for the compliment and not to change the subject if your union ever takes off i would gladly be a part of it.

Couldn't billiards mechanics get together and join the BCA, possibly using their trade show (and voting rights) as a way to get the certification out to the table manufacturers and dealers, ie. pressure them to have BCA certified installers.
In a similar way to what they do with referee's (only more agressively), there are other ref's but BCA ref's are recommended and trained by the BCA. We could have a BCA billiards training school wich should make it easier to get WPA accreditation as the BCA is their north american representitive thus giving billiard training school graduates world wide accreditation. It would also give us a BCA head mechanic or a master mechanic board of 4 people, to over see and standardize training. Then you or whoever could distribute your video's with the BCA's blessing, and have the players come to the scholl for the formal testing, which could be done at the trade show or the amatuer tournament in May or both.

I'll copy the last part of this post to the other thread to continue this discussion.

Bern
 
tightening pockets

I have removed the original facing and added a thicker facing before on peoples request. This is not a dramatic change , but it tightened the with an 1/4 of an inch total.
Thanx, Ron
www.lccsbilliards.com
 
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