If we are talking about the tiki shot they can come up all over the table - if you google "tiki billiard carom" you will most probably find somebody out there with some type of numerical computation for them.
He'll get better results searching for ticky. That is the accepted spelling in Byrnes and every other billiard book I've seen.
Dave Gross once showed me a way to find your aiming point on the cushion for a ticky. Determine where you want the cueball to hit the ball coming off the first cushion. Draw a mental line from there to the cushion and then extend it the same length beyond the cushion and note where the line ends on the rail. That is your aiming point. You shoot at that point.
Another rule of thumb is that a simple ticky shot at moderate speed with normal running English will tend to come off the third rail at about a 45 degree angle, towards the head or foot spot. If you need to widen it out use draw. If you want it to come out straighter, use follow.
Byrnes' trick shot book has an extreme draw ticky where the red and yellow are opposite each other at the center of the 2 long rails. The cueball tickies behind the first ball with such extreme draw that it draws across the full width of the table, hits the opposite long cushion and then scores the point. Without the cueball hitting a short rail. Personally I cannot come close, but I did see a guy make it once.
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i know dave from onepocket dot orgWhen you get access to a table try varying speed.
The Dave Grossman tip is most useful when the first ball is more than a couple of ball widths away from the cushion. He is better known around here as 12squared.
I used to play often with Koreans in my area and they used a scoring variation where if you strike no balls, you lose a point and if you go rail-first, a scoring shot is 2pts.
Throws a bit of a wrench into 'slow to the red' play.
Anyway, these guys would come with tickys from the most insane places. Some of them had to be the 3c equivalent of riding the 9.
I'd seriously doubt they picked up the shots from books and it is a damn shame there's not really any repository we can consult on the matter.
If you go watch some old video of when Sang Lee was still with us you see a crazy number of rail first shots because of that rail first point bonus when he was coming up. He was the best of the top players at creative use of rail first shots, IMO.