Tip nonanimal
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Zerksies
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How do you know someone's vegan? Don't worry they will let you know every five minutes.
Check out the Porper Indestructible Ram Tip on Muellers. I can't say with 100% certainty that there's no animal products in them at all, but they're certainly not a traditional leather tip. Also, be forewarned, read the reviews on here. Apparently they're horrible.
Generally no. It's essentially a piece of rubber and it does grip the cue quite well. It feels a bit softer than a kamui SS, but has springy type of feedback. I played with it for a bit just to get a feel for it and it's certainly different. Not consistent enough for me to use one, but I'm sure that with some tweaking to the formula, could be a viable option one day.
Animals are FOOD, their hide is simply a byproduct.
We (citizenry en-the-large) don't kill animals for their hides, but for their yummy muscles and edible other parts.
byproduct ok. but even if some entity isn't paying for the "meat," they're also paying for the byproduct, tho almost certainly less.
my point is, even byproduct commerce is contributing to the demise of the animal, even if only in some small way. it all adds up.
but yea, if we could reduce our reliance on animal consumption overall, then animals would have more of a chance to live.
and the likely quality of life bump we'd get would be a happy byproduct ^_^
No. If somehow the King of the World banned the use of any commercial product from cattle, the number of cattle in the US would be under 1000, not counting the cows kept in zoos. The only reason most domesticated animals are alive is for the uses we have for them. That's how domestication works. (This fact is separate from the discussion of the morality of "using" animals.)
When ivory was used for billiard balls, that was much different. Elephants were killed just for their tusks because it was a unique product. No one kills pigs just so Mr. Moori can make a batch of cue tips. There's the tasty bacon, after all.
I do agree that since pigskin has uses, it makes raising pigs generally more profitable so the domesticated pig population is possibly a little larger. Maybe.No. If somehow the King of the World banned the use of any commercial product from cattle, the number of cattle in the US would be under 1000, not counting the cows kept in zoos. The only reason most domesticated animals are alive is for the uses we have for them. That's how domestication works. (This fact is separate from the discussion of the morality of "using" animals.)
When ivory was used for billiard balls, that was much different. Elephants were killed just for their tusks because it was a unique product. No one kills pigs just so Mr. Moori can make a batch of cue tips. There's the tasty bacon, after all.
*animals that were already alive would have more of a chance to live- ?
I surely wasn't counting animals that are raised in the first place specifically for the products they provide..
otherwise, with fewer than 1000 cows, that would be a lot fewer greenhouse gas emissions, the overall effects of which would seem to be quite positive
land areas/biodiversity converted to dry farmland would have a chance to exist, and there would be more land usable for literally anything else..
and of course generally reducing our reliance on animal products would have massive implications on many aspects of our personal and societal well-beings- again, much less harmful pollution, healthier/less-impactful diets- for most people, eating red meat is associated with a greater risk of disease. and our health obviously affects..everything. if reliance on the cattle industry were reduced, there would be more innovation in areas that suggest our future, and what might come from that/is coming from that is exciting to think about. and yea, we'd be investing in compassion not just towards ourselves and each other, but other animals' lives.
this is a discussion obviously beyond pool cue tips, but it's one worth having, I think. cheers.
You're talking about the extinction of a species. They are not pets, and they are not wild animals. They won't survive on their own. So if humans no longer raised them, they will disappear. MitchAlsup is being logical. But I guess that logic isn't allowed in this country anymore.
so raising cattle (often in horrible, painful circumstances) purely for our consumption is justified because if we didn't they'd go extinct- ? logic cuts all ways.
L.S. Dennis
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Frankly so am I, with all the technology out there how is it possible that some sort of quality chalkiness tip hasn't been come up with by now!
My old Italian grandfather would have said "nonmakanosense"!
It would be if there was money in it
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Look up what happened to the pigs and cows during the pandemic. Butchers closed. If you feed them for a week or a month too long you lose money. Thousands upon thousands killed and pushed into a pit.
Domestic farm animals would be an endangered species within a decade.
right..again, the animals wouldn't exist in the first place, if not for our intervention. it's a circular argument to say that if we stop intervening, they would cease to exist. right?
I'm not saying we should outlaw or even give up animal farming..there are a lot of good farms out there where animal care and respect is a priority, and if folks want to raise animals, eat meat and use products derived from animals, that's on them/us. the tip on my cue is definitely made of animal leather, I get it. I'm just saying there's another side to all this- we have options as individuals, and as a society, and reducing our reliance on animal-derived products has clear benefits for us, and for them. worth considering.
Bravo... you pulled the same trick out of you hat that all leftist do. And thats to take a worst case scenario and apply to to everyone in the group you have an agenda against. Just like they do to gun owners.
Most farmers, no matter what you hear from the shit stained lips of AOC, take very good care of their stock. They treat them as the valuable asset they are.
The citizenry at large doesn't kill animals at all. For those of us that do it depends on the animal. Deer, Elk, Sheep we're putting in the freezer. Coyotes, Racoons, Badgers etc. aren't getting eaten.
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I think someone has to experiment with groundhog leather tips. Anyone that's tried to skin a groundhog Knows what I'm talking about. They got a tough hide.
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I don't expect to ever see a tip not need chalk. I do believe though that they could develop a non leather tip perform as well as a leather one, maybe even remain at a hardness level as when installed, but with use it would still need to be chalked as it would slowly build up with what ever transfered to it from the balls. That could be food, cleaning solotions, wax, and hand oils. Synthetic tips, probably easy to accomplish, chalkless probably not. Chalk is cheap.
If a cuemaker wants to test, I would start with 70 Shore A durometer polyurethane. Probably available through McMaster. Maybe this question belongs in Ask the Cuemaker. Maybe as a plastics guy, I should actually put more than 30 seconds of effort into this. I should actually try something out.