Tip Radius: Flat Vs Dime

blud said:
Fast,
you can use whatever you want. I beg to differ with you. I have a hell of a lot more experiance at installing tips than you. I have refered to my 3 decades plus, of experiance within this post.

However, it's been kinda slow the last couple of years, but I managed to shape about 3,000 plus tips last year. How many did you shape, Fast?????

To Locki and the rest of you, who are interested,

As far as who should use what shape, several things come into play. Like, his or her stroke, along with the dia., of the ferrule, the taper of the shaft, as I said before.

The over all "NATIONAL" average shape is as I said, like a "NICKLE".

Been shaping them for 30 plus years, now. I know what I am talking about. Been there done that.

Get the new player started out with what they will use in the future. This is only good judgement. Then they do not have to change up down line.


When I install a new tip, I do use about a dime shape, [depending on the tips hardness, also what the seasoned player tells me he or she plays with], and also tuck the sides in at the rim, more than it should be for a finished tip.

After the tip is played with for a couple of hours, it winds up being a nickle shape, with the sides straight and not mushroomed.

I have had several folks say to me, you didn't shape my tip right. I explain, this is shaped properly for the tip to become the proper shape after hitting balls for a while.

I have never had a single complaint, that the tips not the right shape, after they played with it for a spell.

New cues will have the proper shaped tip [ like a nickle] when it's first purchased, for sales purposses only. It looks good.

. After playing with it for several hours, it needs to be re-shaped , because it's now broken in.

I wrote a post not long ago, about not letting "ANYONE", play with your cue.

Reason is, because you have a differant stance, evelavation of the cue, and you hold the cue differantly than another person. You, season the tip to your stroke. Someone else using your cue, will change the shape of the tip just a little. That being the case, you will now address the ball as normal, but the tip will address the ball from a little differant angle. Example, if the guy uses more center ball, the tip becomes flatter. if the person uses more draw and gets lower on the ball, it becomes rounded more than normal.
My advice to you folks is, do not let anyone play with your cue.

I have seen the differance on many tips used by someone else, other than the owners. I have re-shaped many of them because of this.

I hope this clears up this topic.
Let me know?
blud
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interesting points blud.

so the tip develops its own shape after awhile, i noticed that one too...im always fond of tinkering with my cue, especially the tip...i always use a lot of english with a very slight elevation, maybe the reason why my tip shaped like a dime, and maybe the reason why i just cant make good shots on flat tips...:D
 
You should read this PTM,

Some folks do not know when to shut up.

No doubt, we would have a better informative forum, without you stirring crap at every turn. You just can't keep your mouth shut.

The rest of us get along just fine. Then you show up. From there it's all down hill.

Your humor is only humorous to you.

I have done my best to stay away from you and your attitude, but you keep on pushing it. You have no respect for others, and there opinions.
blud
 
I have done my best to, but it gets old every time you post you have to tell somebody that you did it better. Or you done it longer! Stroke your ego on a pad of paper, then post a reply. We heard ya the 43rd time you said that you were the GOD of tips!
 
I don't recall saying I do it better in this post, I just said, with my experiance, a nickle is used more. DUH!

As Many have said about you, you can't get along with anyone. This post and the threads, had nothing but good things said from all sides, but the same old crap showed up. YOU.

Get a life, kid.....
blud
 
Thanks, Kokopuffs. It's nice to visit with good nice folk, who appreciate good solid information.

blud
 
This is another post I tried to help with. No place in it did I get out of line.

Tip shapes, Dime-vs-nickle,

I wrote about what I have done over the last 3 decades or so. Not bragging and saying i am right and everyones wrong, Just stated facts, to Fast.

The national average tips are shaped as a nickle. I said to Fast, [who by the way has been a gentelman about this topic], just beg to differ with him. Not causing trouble, as PTM, says. Fast and I have not problems.........

Is this bad, to disagree. I don't think so.

I have had more experiance putting tips on than Fast. That's all..

Now PTM, is coming with his attitude again, because of a discussion he was not in on or what ever. He's saying I was boasting. Not so, PTM.. Just stating facts about MY experiances.

Take a look at his smart remarks about 3000 tips, it's as if he was questioning my integerty. I do not lie. No need to. I just stated more facts about what i had written. Yes, defending myself, again, with PTM, and his smart remarks.

He acts like I was lying to all who read this. I then explained to him, that it was not biggy to do 3000 tips.

I never once said, I was better than thou, as he puts it.
I never once said that i was the best.
I did say he could bet what he wanted. That still stands...

But, I guess that was wrong also.

I said and will say again, PTM, tries to make a mountain out of a mole hill. He does his best to piss folks off. He's good at that. Most appreciate my writtings and solid information.

PTM, and Joseph cues do not. You two should put me on your ignore list.

I personally think both of these guys, would be an assit to this forum, if they would try. If either of them worked as hard at adding good information, as they do knocking, just think how much more we could all learn. Pass on some solid informatio, for all to read and enjoy. Not knock at every turn.............

How about someone making your comments, and if I was wrong from the start, I'll also fess up to it.

I never once said anything to either of these guys, untill I read what they said, about my [ ask the cuemaker] and other writtings and posts. Then and only then did I make any remarks.
thank you
blud
 
PTM, I was at the Valley Fordge Super Billiards Expo last year with my wife. That is when I met Blud in person. I saw him stand on his feet for twelve hours a day for four days. He never stopped putting tips on. He was pocketing $3,000 a day just on tips alone. He also sold about 45 cues and talked with 2000 people. The man is a peice of work, I agree. Hard to get along with sometimes, yet still a great person. We had a few beers one evening in the hotel bar, my wife and his. You wouldn't believe all the professional players and top cuemakers who came over and showed their respect and had a drink with us. On Blud's tab I might add. He is a hard working freaking machine I am sure he doesn't know how many tips he has put on. No one can count that fast. He has been doing this at hundreds of tournaments and expos for over 30 years. I am not trying to blow his horn or blow smoke up your ass, I am telling you the truth. I wish I had 1/3 of his experience. In a forum like this we can all learn from each other without all the bickering. It is amusing at times, I must say. Let's just not get to vicious with our attacks. I have hit myself with a hammer 10 times in the last three days. Please you all, cut it out. OUCH!!!!! DAM IT.
The Purdman
 
Thanks for the kind words, purdman.

God only knows how much I try to stay away from this guy.

I mind my own business, answer posted questions, add some words to post and threads, and he re-appears, out of the blue, and on my case. What for, he only knows.
No one else is complaining, but him.....

As far as I am concerned, he's history to me.
God bless him.

I will do my best to help all with my experiances.

again, thanks Don
blud
 
3 mins per tip WOW...it takes me 5 min to look for my sandpaper..hehehe

...is this on 13 mm tips on 13 mm diameter ferrules right ?
which is pretty much easy...

remove tip
Cleam / Flatten ferrule top
sandpaper back of tip
apply glue
attached tip
shape tip...

how about for tip diameters that are on the 11 - 12.5 range how long does it take you to shave that tip.. just curious...


Qguy replaces tip for 20 min using cutter, superglue and sandpaper...sometimes 10 hours when I use Elmers Glue...hehehe

Wish I had Bluds Tip machine...
 
I hate to jump in here but here goes. I believe the more advanced a player is, and the harder the tip is, the more likely they are to benefit from a rounder tip - namely a dime shaped tip.

If you stay near the center of the cue ball, say within one tip of center, it almost doesn't matter what shape your tip is. Players who venture out to the extreme edges of draw, follow, and english, which is pretty much all good players, need the rounder shape. To see why, just hold the tip up to a cue ball and move it off to the edge and look at the profile. The rounder tip presses more leather up against the cue ball on edge shots.

Now, I will say it doesn't matter how a cuemaker shapes the tip. Most good players will flatten a tip pretty quickly. They just need to learn how to reshape it and keep the sides flush to the ferrule until it is time to see Blud for a new one.


Chris
 
Hi gguy,
It's not to hard to do.
I use a cupped live center to hold the tip in place while the glue is drying. I use Duro-super-glue-gel. Sometimes I use loc-tite super-glue-gel. Either works fine for me.

The steps I use for replacing tips!

1.- I cut off the old tip off,

2.- I place it in my lathe wth the correct pin configuration, for the shaft.

3.- I turn the lathe on and face the ferrule by hand with the shaft spinning at about 2,200 rpm.[ walk the blades edge, across the face of the ferrule]. Cleans quick this way.

4. After facing, I stop the machine, glue the tip on and apply tail-stock pressure. The tail stock pressure does two things, it holds the tip and shaft straight, and secondly and the main thing, it's got end pressure against the top of the tip, via the tail stock,so when I shave the sides, I don't twist and tear the leather while shaving the sides. This keeps from tearing down the tips internal structure, [ stretching, tearing the leather webbing]and keeps from having tips fail early on.

5.- I now turn the machine back on and shave the edges of the tip down with one staight cut. [meaning straight with the ferrules side]. By doing this, it tells me how hard ther tip is, so I can properly cut the sides for future mushrooming.
BTW, I start at the bottom of the ferrule and work towards the top of the tip.

6.- I slant my utility knife blade at an angle to cut the tips side again, and curve cut the sides and rim just a bit inside and smaller than the total dia., of the tip, and ferrule. [I always start with 14mm tips]. Now the tip is slanted in at the top and sides. This slant, allows for future mushrooming. When it does
mushroom, it should be straight up and down, look and play great.

7.- I now back up the tail stock, and shape the top of the tip by hand with some 80 grit sand paper, again at 2,200 rpm's. Flip the paper over to the back, and burnish the edges with again, my spit, and it's clean on the sides and you can see the edge of your tip with no problems at all.

8.- I feel the shaft while it's spinning for dents and falws, and remove the dents, by taking a little sand paper and scoring the dent ever so little, cross ways to the shaft.. Then I use my spit and apply it on the now scuffed dent, and fold a paper towel and turn the machine on at 2,200 rpm's again. Pop, Pop.. it's poped up and can be lightly sanded and then polished and hit with 1,500 paper.
This I can do over and over and average about two minutes each. Sound worst than it is.

It's taken me a long long time to get this down pat, but it works for me.

I think I might be the only guy who uses a utility knife to shape tips..Sometimes when i am running hard and backed up, I use the knife to shape the top of the tip also, by rotating the knife around the tips top, to get the shape the tip requires.. This ones a little tricky to do. Please don't try this own your own, if you see me at a tournament, I'll be glad to show you in person.

For the smaller dia. shafts for tips, I cut the back of the tip off some, [ reducing the tips height, and then rough sand the back side so glue will stay put. Then finsih up as above.

Sanding tips, I built a jig to sand 3 at one time, with a 12" disc wheel turning at 1,725 rpm, with 120 gritt sand paper. The jig has 3 indents in it, [ 14mm dents] and it slides in a boxed fixture straight into the sanding disc. When you pull the jig back from the disc, 3 fingers go into the back side of the jig and push out the 3 now sanded tips. Works real slick. I can sand about 200 tips within 15 minutes or so. Perfect ever time.

Hope this answers your questions.

Keep the questions coming. I'll be off to Tokyo, wed. and will answer all questions ask between mow and when I return around the 15th..

see ya
blud
 
blud said:
Fast,
you can use whatever you want. I beg to differ with you. I have a hell of a lot more experiance at installing tips than you. I have refered to my 3 decades plus, of experiance within this post.

However, it's been kinda slow the last couple of years, but I managed to shape about 3,000 plus tips last year. How many did you shape, Fast?????

To Locki and the rest of you, who are interested,

As far as who should use what shape, several things come into play. Like, his or her stroke, along with the dia., of the ferrule, the taper of the shaft, as I said before.

The over all "NATIONAL" average shape is as I said, like a "NICKLE".

Been shaping them for 30 plus years, now. I know what I am talking about. Been there done that.

Get the new player started out with what they will use in the future. This is only good judgement. Then they do not have to change up down line.


When I install a new tip, I do use about a dime shape, [depending on the tips hardness, also what the seasoned player tells me he or she plays with], and also tuck the sides in at the rim, more than it should be for a finished tip.

After the tip is played with for a couple of hours, it winds up being a nickle shape, with the sides straight and not mushroomed.

I have had several folks say to me, you didn't shape my tip right. I explain, this is shaped properly for the tip to become the proper shape after hitting balls for a while.

I have never had a single complaint, that the tips not the right shape, after they played with it for a spell.

New cues will have the proper shaped tip [ like a nickle] when it's first purchased, for sales purposses only. It looks good.

. After playing with it for several hours, it needs to be re-shaped , because it's now broken in.

I wrote a post not long ago, about not letting "ANYONE", play with your cue.

Reason is, because you have a differant stance, evelavation of the cue, and you hold the cue differantly than another person. You, season the tip to your stroke. Someone else using your cue, will change the shape of the tip just a little. That being the case, you will now address the ball as normal, but the tip will address the ball from a little differant angle. Example, if the guy uses more center ball, the tip becomes flatter. if the person uses more draw and gets lower on the ball, it becomes rounded more than normal.
My advice to you folks is, do not let anyone play with your cue.

I have seen the differance on many tips used by someone else, other than the owners. I have re-shaped many of them because of this.

I hope this clears up this topic.
Let me know?
blud
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Like I said you are 30 years out of date and Ike is no longer in office. Just becuse you can glue on a tip does not mean you know nothing. I dont do tips, I make world records with tips. I make shots with tips no other man can duplicate. All of these records are done with a dime. How many world records have you done with your ivory ferrule, your soft tip and your nickle shape?

What do you do, you glue on tips, yo da man right. I can train a chimp to glue on a tip. My Dog can put on a tip with his nose, whip te do da. I got into that crap with Ray Schuler, he would put that friggin nickle on my tips so I could not draw worth a crap. I tried to explain it to him also. He goes, I am da big custome guy here not you, I've been doing this that way for 30 years. I went sure you have, you have been doing it wrong for 30 friggen years. What I did to Ray's tips which is what most guys do to yours blud is when they hit it a few times and its deader than your head, they jerk out the file and shape it into a dime so the thing works and they don't starve.

I cant make my shots with your ivory ferrule, your shaft that deflects like a mother, your soft tip and your nickle shape. I can play, you cant. I know what works, you do not. You had a chance to learn something new here, you blew it. You aint learned nothing new since Ike was in office. No sport pushes stuff from the 50's. You do. You are a dinosour. Only in pool could you thrive, in golf you would be long gone, nobody would buy your wood shafts and persimmon head drivers any more. You would say Bobby Jones won all those cups with those. That's your anology, concepts from your prime in 55 are right.

Flat tip to break with, nickle to play with, makes me crack up with laughter. Yo Blud pass me that mashie nublick, I knock that shot up there to make a stimie. I gotta stay off your posts, you drive me wild. Just for the record, you zinged me first here, not me you. I am off for Japan and Bali, I aint got time for this no more. :D
 
For what it's worth, I've closely examined countless tips on recorded matches, whenever they show a close-up of the cueball before the cue strikes it. I've also looked at more than two dozen pros' tips in person, and I've never seen a dime radius on any of them. I've seen tips flatter than a nickel, but never a dime.

I think a dime shape, unless the tip is super freakin' hard, is too difficult to maintain consistently. And when you're playing in tournaments---or for the big cheese---you want everything as consistent as possible. JMHO.

Roger
 
Fast, you got a lot of crap with ya for a guy who posts as often as you do on a Christian billiard forum. Is that what the book taught ya. Condem whenever possible. Brag about all your accomplishments. To think you are better and know more than everybody else on the planet or should I say God's children. You just plain ain't right. You throw a lot of stones buddy.
Don
 
Why someone has to attack the person rather than simply disagree with his/her thoughts is beyond me. I wish that he'd go home and abstain from this forum.
 
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