Tip Radius: Flat Vs Dime
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How does a flat tip improve accuracy?
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locki
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personally, i have tried both shapes, from my observations, i am more accurate when i was using the dime shaped tip, i am able to pocket balls more, i was able to pocket more long shots, i am now able to draw full length of the table, i can now masse...what else...
i love dime shapes...
i think flat tip improves accuracy because it wouldnt apply as much unwanted english as a dime shape could do...you sacrifice positioning when using the flat tip though...you couldnt apply as much english as you want to because it would miscue more than a dime shaped tip.
but then again, it all depends on the stroke. when you give a me flat tip, its not me you will see shooting when i have that kind of tip...
i love dime shapes...
i think flat tip improves accuracy because it wouldnt apply as much unwanted english as a dime shape could do...you sacrifice positioning when using the flat tip though...you couldnt apply as much english as you want to because it would miscue more than a dime shaped tip.
but then again, it all depends on the stroke. when you give a me flat tip, its not me you will see shooting when i have that kind of tip...
FLAT-vs-DIME?
After installing thousands and thousands of tips over the last 3 decades, I find the most popular shape is about like a nickle.
Most of your smaller mm., shafts, have a dime shape. From about 12.75 mm and up for the most part have a nickle shape.
Snooker shafts [8, 9 mm and up] have a small dime radius. They are using a much smaller ball than we do in pool. Helps with draw and ball control, [shape].
Depending on your stroke and how much you evelate your cue should determindthe dime or nickle shape, or somewhere in between........
I don't think flat will improve your game and or stroke.
Reason is,
Flat tips, allows more of the tip [area] to touch the cue ball on contact, therefore making the ball squirt more left and right. With a smaller dia. tip, [a dime shape] the tip touches the ball with less area, and becomes more accrate. Pin point contact is where it's at. In this case less is better.
The flatter tips [ like a quarter shape] are normally used for breaking the balls.
By far, the nickle shape is most popular I have seen.
A little history,
I remember one guy who had a flat tip and he never rotated his cue. The tip looked like a wedge. Always struck the cue ball with the tip in the same spot. He could really play well. He would draw the hell out of the ball. A great shot maker.
rock & roll
blud
After installing thousands and thousands of tips over the last 3 decades, I find the most popular shape is about like a nickle.
Most of your smaller mm., shafts, have a dime shape. From about 12.75 mm and up for the most part have a nickle shape.
Snooker shafts [8, 9 mm and up] have a small dime radius. They are using a much smaller ball than we do in pool. Helps with draw and ball control, [shape].
Depending on your stroke and how much you evelate your cue should determindthe dime or nickle shape, or somewhere in between........
I don't think flat will improve your game and or stroke.
Reason is,
Flat tips, allows more of the tip [area] to touch the cue ball on contact, therefore making the ball squirt more left and right. With a smaller dia. tip, [a dime shape] the tip touches the ball with less area, and becomes more accrate. Pin point contact is where it's at. In this case less is better.
The flatter tips [ like a quarter shape] are normally used for breaking the balls.
By far, the nickle shape is most popular I have seen.
A little history,
I remember one guy who had a flat tip and he never rotated his cue. The tip looked like a wedge. Always struck the cue ball with the tip in the same spot. He could really play well. He would draw the hell out of the ball. A great shot maker.
rock & roll
blud
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locki
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yes, i agree with what you said blud, i was just wondering, would it be wise for me to recommend a newbie to the game who cant improve his pocketing, a flat tip because of an erroneous stroke?
i notice in his shots, there is english applied, even after hitting the ob, the cb is still spinning a lot. he misses a lot, unlikely of a filipino player, i asked him if he intended to apply english, being a proud person that he is, wanting to show me he knows what he is doing, he says yes, and he did it to get good position for the next ball.
would a flat tip improve his pocketing?
i notice in his shots, there is english applied, even after hitting the ob, the cb is still spinning a lot. he misses a lot, unlikely of a filipino player, i asked him if he intended to apply english, being a proud person that he is, wanting to show me he knows what he is doing, he says yes, and he did it to get good position for the next ball.
would a flat tip improve his pocketing?
fast larry
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locki said:
Dear Blud, you used a nickle when Ike was in office and trickey dick was veep. Today, use a dime.
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locki
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wrong quote fast?
Fast,
you can use whatever you want. I beg to differ with you. I have a hell of a lot more experiance at installing tips than you. I have refered to my 3 decades plus, of experiance within this post.
However, it's been kinda slow the last couple of years, but I managed to shape about 3,000 plus tips last year. How many did you shape, Fast?????
To Locki and the rest of you, who are interested,
As far as who should use what shape, several things come into play. Like, his or her stroke, along with the dia., of the ferrule, the taper of the shaft, as I said before.
The over all "NATIONAL" average shape is as I said, like a "NICKLE".
Been shaping them for 30 plus years, now. I know what I am talking about. Been there done that.
Get the new player started out with what they will use in the future. This is only good judgement. Then they do not have to change up down line.
When I install a new tip, I do use about a dime shape, [depending on the tips hardness, also what the seasoned player tells me he or she plays with], and also tuck the sides in at the rim, more than it should be for a finished tip.
After the tip is played with for a couple of hours, it winds up being a nickle shape, with the sides straight and not mushroomed.
I have had several folks say to me, you didn't shape my tip right. I explain, this is shaped properly for the tip to become the proper shape after hitting balls for a while.
I have never had a single complaint, that the tips not the right shape, after they played with it for a spell.
New cues will have the proper shaped tip [ like a nickle] when it's first purchased, for sales purposses only. It looks good.
. After playing with it for several hours, it needs to be re-shaped , because it's now broken in.
I wrote a post not long ago, about not letting "ANYONE", play with your cue.
Reason is, because you have a differant stance, evelavation of the cue, and you hold the cue differantly than another person. You, season the tip to your stroke. Someone else using your cue, will change the shape of the tip just a little. That being the case, you will now address the ball as normal, but the tip will address the ball from a little differant angle. Example, if the guy uses more center ball, the tip becomes flatter. if the person uses more draw and gets lower on the ball, it becomes rounded more than normal.
My advice to you folks is, do not let anyone play with your cue.
I have seen the differance on many tips used by someone else, other than the owners. I have re-shaped many of them because of this.
I hope this clears up this topic.
Let me know?
blud
you can use whatever you want. I beg to differ with you. I have a hell of a lot more experiance at installing tips than you. I have refered to my 3 decades plus, of experiance within this post.
However, it's been kinda slow the last couple of years, but I managed to shape about 3,000 plus tips last year. How many did you shape, Fast?????
To Locki and the rest of you, who are interested,
As far as who should use what shape, several things come into play. Like, his or her stroke, along with the dia., of the ferrule, the taper of the shaft, as I said before.
The over all "NATIONAL" average shape is as I said, like a "NICKLE".
Been shaping them for 30 plus years, now. I know what I am talking about. Been there done that.
Get the new player started out with what they will use in the future. This is only good judgement. Then they do not have to change up down line.
When I install a new tip, I do use about a dime shape, [depending on the tips hardness, also what the seasoned player tells me he or she plays with], and also tuck the sides in at the rim, more than it should be for a finished tip.
After the tip is played with for a couple of hours, it winds up being a nickle shape, with the sides straight and not mushroomed.
I have had several folks say to me, you didn't shape my tip right. I explain, this is shaped properly for the tip to become the proper shape after hitting balls for a while.
I have never had a single complaint, that the tips not the right shape, after they played with it for a spell.
New cues will have the proper shaped tip [ like a nickle] when it's first purchased, for sales purposses only. It looks good.
. After playing with it for several hours, it needs to be re-shaped , because it's now broken in.
I wrote a post not long ago, about not letting "ANYONE", play with your cue.
Reason is, because you have a differant stance, evelavation of the cue, and you hold the cue differantly than another person. You, season the tip to your stroke. Someone else using your cue, will change the shape of the tip just a little. That being the case, you will now address the ball as normal, but the tip will address the ball from a little differant angle. Example, if the guy uses more center ball, the tip becomes flatter. if the person uses more draw and gets lower on the ball, it becomes rounded more than normal.
My advice to you folks is, do not let anyone play with your cue.
I have seen the differance on many tips used by someone else, other than the owners. I have re-shaped many of them because of this.
I hope this clears up this topic.
Let me know?
blud
fast...blud is very right in what he has posted....we all know that you rate yourself among the worlds best in the pool community but everyone i have come across that plays a helluva lot better than you tend to use the shape of a nickel or a little flatter....and for breaing and jumping the balls the flatter the better in my opinion....and yes fast i can play...maybe not your speed but well enough so please refrain from your dufus remarks....we dont really care for you to stroke your own ego as you has done so many times before......juston coleman(georgia)
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Billy Jungle
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tip shape ? for Mr. Blud
Mr. Blud, When I was first starting to play in the mid 60's an old timer told me to "crown" my tip by lightly brushing just the edge backward toward the tips apex , reasoning that this would afford a better "grip" of the tip's edge on the cueball.Is this the case or have I just been psychologically feeling this was an advantage for 40 years.I enjoy your posts and appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience here . rock onward
Mr. Blud, When I was first starting to play in the mid 60's an old timer told me to "crown" my tip by lightly brushing just the edge backward toward the tips apex , reasoning that this would afford a better "grip" of the tip's edge on the cueball.Is this the case or have I just been psychologically feeling this was an advantage for 40 years.I enjoy your posts and appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience here . rock onward
Good day Billy, The old timer was right.
By brushing it up, you do two things, 1st, you give the tip some texture for the chalk to hold on too. Next, your keeping the edge of the tip clean and you now have a clear view of your ball and the tips edge.
rock on folks
blud
PS, it's nice to have good questions coming from you guys, instead of someone putting his or her's two cents in just to be heard.
All may not agree with my posts or threads, but I allways tell it like it is, from my personal experiances.
Please keep the questions coming.
By brushing it up, you do two things, 1st, you give the tip some texture for the chalk to hold on too. Next, your keeping the edge of the tip clean and you now have a clear view of your ball and the tips edge.
rock on folks
blud
PS, it's nice to have good questions coming from you guys, instead of someone putting his or her's two cents in just to be heard.
All may not agree with my posts or threads, but I allways tell it like it is, from my personal experiances.
Please keep the questions coming.
pooltablemech
Banned
Just trying to add some humor Blud...so don't get offended.....At 3000 tips last year that's almost 10 a day every day. How ya get much else done! lol
For your information, I do in excess of 900 to 1100, at one tournament alone, I attend each year, that last 10 days.. Been doing that one for 19 years. This is not many tips compared to how many I did, when I was the only guy doing tips many many moons ago.
To replace a tip and remove small dents clean and polish the shaft, your only talking about 2 to 3 min's, max.for time, per shaft. You do the math.
That's about 20 plus per hour, and working 12 to 14 hours per day at tournaments, they add up fast.
PTM, you can also add about 400 more for me shafts that I build for new cues and many shaft replacements.
Not hard to get done, you just got to have a great work attitude, and love your work.........
blud
To replace a tip and remove small dents clean and polish the shaft, your only talking about 2 to 3 min's, max.for time, per shaft. You do the math.
That's about 20 plus per hour, and working 12 to 14 hours per day at tournaments, they add up fast.
PTM, you can also add about 400 more for me shafts that I build for new cues and many shaft replacements.
Not hard to get done, you just got to have a great work attitude, and love your work.........
blud
pooltablemech
Banned
LMAO..........Toot Toot!