To Blud

[THE SILENCER]

EXCELLENT drivemaker EXCELLENT! it's this type of brilliant debating, that made me fall in love with you in the first place. (not in a homosexual way) not that there's anything wrong with being a homosexual, (seinfeld) anyhow, WOW! you son-of a bitch, if words, were pool, you just broke and ran 13 racks of 9-ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, you KEEP IT REAL, you ask questions, that are, true, hey, "how much of a "NOTICABLE" difference does the pin,joint make in potting balls!, i felt like yelling at my monitor, GO DRIVEMAKER GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! answer him blud, huh, go on, the joints are responsible for willie mosconi pocketing 526 balls, am i right, if he had any other joint, he only would have pocketed 6 balls and missed, then he would have turned to the crowd of people, and said, "if i only had the "other" joint, i could have ran 526 balls" keep going drivemaker, you "keep it real"

 

[Purdman]

OOOHhh I think I might be right!!!!!

Bernard, you just don't get it, do ya pal!
Don P.

 

[Joseph Cues]

EXCELLENT drivemaker EXCELLENT! it's this type of brilliant debating, that made me fall in love with you in the first place. (not in a homosexual way) not that there's anything wrong with being a homosexual, (seinfeld) anyhow, WOW! you son-of a bitch, if words, were pool, you just broke and ran 13 racks of 9-ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, you KEEP IT REAL, you ask questions, that are, true, hey, "how much of a "NOTICABLE" difference does the pin,joint make in potting balls!, i felt like yelling at my monitor, GO DRIVEMAKER GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! answer him blud, huh, go on, the joints are responsible for willie mosconi pocketing 526 balls, am i right, if he had any other joint, he only would have pocketed 6 balls and missed, then he would have turned to the crowd of people, and said, "if i only had the "other" joint, i could have ran 526 balls" keep going drivemaker, you "keep it real"

This from someone who swears by Mali cues b/c of their "balance".

 

[LastTwo]

Hi All "Gremlin" Here,

I question everything in life that is the way you learn? So tell me what consumer would pay any attention to advise in a billiard forum from someone he didn't know or has never met? Cues, Tables, Balls what ever?

I don't pay any attention to ptm, blud, or the silencer. Has anyone won a world championship with a blud cue, or on a table repaired by ptm or with silencer's colorful advise? I would say NO! So what is all the fuss. Why don't you people get along?

Cheers,

Gremlin

PTM, the table mechanic, Blud the cuemaker, Silencer the weirdo, and Gremlin the village idiot. Sounds like a great board to me.

 

[blud]

cues

I don't pay any attention to ptm, blud, or the silencer. Has anyone won a world championship with a blud cue, or on a table repaired by ptm or with silencer's colorful advise? I would say NO! So what is all the fuss. Why don't you people get along?



BTW Gremlin, I have designed and sold, more machinery for building cues than anyone else in the world. Also, have taught more people how to build cues than anyone else.

I was the founder of the American Cuemakers Association, Founder of Cuematers Master cuemaker, the list could go on.

Some cuemakers in the ACA, I got cross ways with, because of my teaching cuemaking and selling my machinery, world wide. They didn't want "THERE" craft given away.Please..........

Buddy Hall was the reason I started building cues. He's won several, world titles with my cues, including the US OPEN, as have Grady, Danny and others, with my cues..

Within the first two years of my cue building carrer, there were 17 plus top world pro-players playing with my cues. Pretty good record for someone you have never heard of. "But you would say no". I could not afford to pay them an endorsement fee, they played with my cues, because of THERE PLAYABILITY'....

I, have been around for decades, and my record as an inventor, developer,a go getter type person, and a person with a lot of drive, has brought me and my company to the top for years now.

I do know what I am talking about. Any good qualified cuemaker will tell you the same, differant jonts and pins changes the hit.......

If not, why is there so many differant types of joints and pins? duh!

In all fairness, we all see colors, in a differant color.
thanks for your time
blud

Mr. Blud,

I am not questioning your veracity or chracter sir as they are beyond reproach.
Also please post all of your credits on your web site as they are excellent selling points. I mean list the world championships and titles won with your cues. I for one would love to read the names.

LOL Hell, I play them now with a house cue and even one handed. On the other hand if I bought one of your cues it wouldn't make me any better than the amateur I am. LOL I still love the game and you too.

Cheers,

Gremlin[/QUOTE]

Hi Gremlin,

I didn't say as you have implied that my cues are better and you will beat all. You ask for names, I gave you a few. quote[In all honesty Mr. Blud you still aren't going to make me believe that the same buddies I beat at one pocket every week can beat me because they bought one of your cues].

I know my cues are good cues, however, I never once said that in my statements........until now!

If you did have a cue that I built or another good cuemaker built, and it was a good cue, and delivered the cue ball as you dirceted it, you sir, would be playing better.

How I spend my time is my afair, not yours. You said it, I didn't, he's sometimes a goof.....quote, [I was just hoping you wouldn't waste so much time on Bernie (Silencer) because sometimes he is a goof].

He's also someone who some feller might listen too. Being mis-lead by someone talking to talk, is not fair to the guy who will listen. When I speak, [ or write] it's to the point and truthfull. I don't bull shit anyone, not even in fun....

nice visit,
blud

 

[drivermaker]

This is kind of a strange thread because I don't know if anybody is really off base. Personally, I don't have a side that I feel like taking or an axe to grind with whatever has been said by anyone. When Blud talks about all of the different aspects that go into cue making and changing the hit or feel of the cue, I agree. When Satman says that ANY little change that you make with a cue, including the inlays, will change the feel...I agree. When Bernie says all of the the different joints have no affect on playability (I assume that means making balls and not feel or hit) I agree. Since this thread started out about joints, I can say that I have cues with just about every joint used...
Stainless, Ivory, Implex, wood to wood, 5/16X14 flat, 5/16x14 piloted (3 different pilots), 5/16x18 flat, 5/16x18 piloted, 3/8x10, Uni-Loc, and
Accu-Loc. Do they all have different feels and hits? The answer is YES! However I can also change the feel or hit on that same cue by just changing a shaft with a different taper, pilot or tip that fits that joint also. Does any of those joints give an advantage over another in making balls? NO!! Great cuemakers, great cues, and great players have used all of them at one time or another. You can feel a difference in balance or weight, and initially that can throw off your tempo and timing if you're used to something else and you WILL miss balls. However, if you stick with it for a while, you get used to it and will miss balls when you go back to another one. This is just another flame thread and a good reason to whack on someone that has never been liked before and never will.

 

[satman]

AMEN..... Occasionally I pick up a crooked house cue just to remember all the balls I made growing up dreaming of buying that $60 cue at the sporting goods store. Then I pick up my cue that was built especially for me and think, " how could I ever miss another ball". {sometimes my brain gets in the way} We are so blessed that all these fabulous cue makers can come up with all these different materials and joint designs, to make cues that fit all the different players in our great sport. Man that was a long sentence. I'll stay out of this thread now. Sam

 

[pooltablemech]

As for any Tables we have ever done.........We keep up Starcades Tables in Ft Walton. They seem to be happy. And no complaints!

 

[Purdman]

PTM, the table mechanic, Blud the cuemaker, Silencer the weirdo, and Gremlin the village idiot. Sounds like a great board to me.

AND LAST TWO, as in brain cells pal. Now we got a full deck, rack em up buddy
Don P.

 

[bud green]

Give 'em hell Blud. I for one appreciate having someone who actually knows what they're talking about on this forum. I've politely asked Silencer to limit his posts so the other posts on the board don't get pushed to page three but the guy simply won't stop posting an endless stream of garbage. As far as his "I'm the expert player, you're the expert cuemaker" goes, who actually thinks some 8-ball player who people have never heard of is enough of an authority to take up half the forum. I like the game but I missed one shot in five racks yesterday and I SUCK compared to real pros who play the other games on big tables. When he wins an open event against top players who I've heard of, maybe then I'll be willing to spend the time listening to him. I like the way Blud shot down the "nobody has won with your cue" line...Buddy using your cue has more credibility than "I'm an APA 7 in my local league"


Too bad we can't get more touring pros to post; this forum is an excellent learning tool and it should only get better in the future. Imagine if we had Freddie the Beard or Beenie Weenie posting road stories about pool legends instead of goofballs posting their Ralf Souqet underwear threads, Wondermutt stories, etc...

 

[Bluewolf]

Not taking sides, it is sooo hot in here, thinkks we need to open all of the windows.

I do have to say that when I started looking into a custom cue, and the cuemaker asked me this and that. I learned a little about what I did not know in that conversation and my sl7 hubbie said that he did not know anything either.

I have talked to players who know something about what they want in a custom, but it is hard to gage how much they know ortherwize, at least from where I sit.

So,after becoming thoroughly confused, I , at first did not want a custom because there seemed to be sooo many decisions, but scruggs made it easy and when I went to Scruggs I just took his advise and like what I got.

I heard once that 'being smart is knowing what you are dumb at', well I am dumb on cue making stuff. My cue has the stainless flat to flat, cant think of the name...does that make sense to anyone?

What would be nice is to hear from blud, ted or anyone else in that field is how the different joints are different and what are the advantages of each.



Laura

 

[jer9ball]

Blud: First of all....lower your Bludpressure and relax! I'm not attacking you.

but to say that players know nothing about cues is a bogus arguement.

9ball, I should of said, they know nothing about the construction of cues. Only a limited few, know about cue consrtuction. I am not saying pool players are dumb. Sure they know what "hits", feels and looks good to them. When it comes to the construction, they do not know for the most part.

I completely agree Blud.

Tell me, 9-baller, Do you know about the constriction of cues?

Nope. Never said I did. Never said I was a great player, or cue maker, or that I knew anything about anything. I'm here to learn, and try to express a thoughtful opinion or arguement from time to time.

If so, answer these, very easy and simple questions,,[ you too silencer]...

how do you make a cue play with a soft, when using the same style joint, same size joint, same weight, same tip, ferrule material, same shaft, pin and then take the same cue and make it play with a hard hit? What steps does it take?? How does one do this??

Well, I'm not a cue maker so I can't answer. But I would like to know the answer, so I'll make a guess so you can correct me ok? Ha ha. How about changing the wood type of the butt? Would that change the hit?

Name me a pool player that can answer that simple question.Name one.

Thierry Layani. Ha! Got you there!

Here's another one for you sir, does a pro-tapered shaft [say 12.65mm]re-act the same on a cue with a steel joint, as it would with a phenolic joint, with the joint being the same size? Would cues shaft be whippy, when on a smaller jointed cue, or would it become stiff with a steel joint or would it [the shaft] become stiffer with a bigger joint dia.?

I've had the good fortune to try the exact same shaft on different butts. (no pun intended) I found that the different joint materials _sounded_ different, but I couldn't detect a difference in how they played. I think it would require a robot to do that. As for changing the joint size: I'd guess that it would depend on the whole taper of the shaft wouldn't it?

The more people know about cues, the more people we will have playing pool. However, if they get bad information, that information will add less credit to our sport.....Good information works for me.

blud

Sounds good Blud! Now that I have your attention...how about answering that other question I had for you? How does the color of the linen affect its quality?

thx,
jeremy

 

[((VH))]

Guys, let's stick to the topic "how the pins or joint affect the hit of the cue"

Listen to what Blud has to say, we're depriving ourselves of valuable information here!

There are other factors that affect the hit like woods used, taper, ferrule material but what Bluds trying to tell us is when all things equal, these are the types of pins and their type of hit...

And we haven't gone anywhere from that!

Silencer, Gremlin - it's not pocketing balls that we're concerned here, that's given! You could even shoot with a broomstick if you like and still make balls but what kind of hit will it have?

The HIT, in my opinion has something largely to do with ball control, speed and touch and feel of the shot... and not where you aim the CB to the OB to make a shot.

The floor is yours Blud

 

[Frank_Glenn]

If so, answer these, very easy and simple questions,,[ you too silencer]...

how do you make a cue play with a soft, when using the same style joint, same size joint, same weight, same tip, ferrule material, same shaft, pin and then take the same cue and make it play with a hard hit? What steps does it take?? How does one do this?



Name me a pool player that can answer that simple question.Name one.

Here's another one for you sir, does a pro-tapered shaft [say 12.65mm]re-act the same on a cue with a steel joint, as it would with a phenolic joint, with the joint being the same size? Would cues shaft be whippy, when on a smaller jointed cue, or would it become stiff with a steel joint or would it [the shaft] become stiffer with a bigger joint dia.?

I can't answer the first one (maybe add a fibre backer to the tip to make it softer? I guess metal in the rings could affect how it hits, or the ring material type and width) For the second one, more "meat" (larger diameter) of the back of the shaft near the joint should make the cue play stiffer. A conical taper will play stiffer than a pro taper. I think my SS jointed cues are a little harder hitting, but "hit" is so subjective, I'm not sure we can define it. I think the tip (hard/med/soft) has a lot to do with how the cue hits. A solidly made cue should play well. No buzz or unexpected noises. Making the tip less high will make the cue play a little harder, sometimes, too. I think a lot of what we call "hit" is the noise the cue makes when it strikes the cueball, and this is very tip dependant. The diameter of the joint and the type of taper have everything to do with the vibration of the cue (as does the joint type ss-hard Ivory/Phenolic-softer, W2W- very soft) but these are all just opinions I have formed over the years by playing with different cues. I have had the opportunity to play with lots of different cues over the years. Some were pretty and some played pretty good, and some were both pretty and played pretty good. YMMV

 

[hemicudas]

I can't answer the first one (maybe add a fibre backer to the tip to make it softer?


Here's one for ya Blud. What Frank just said about the fibre backing on a tip making the hit softer. What happened to the old Champion tip, that had a fibre backing, which I personally liked? Like Frank said, it did make the hit a bit softer. Had a little give to it. I found I had better CB control with them. You never see them any more. Are they still made?.............$Bill

 

[((VH))]

I can't answer the first one (maybe add a fibre backer to the tip to make it softer?


Here's one for ya Blud. What Frank just said about the fibre backing on a tip making the hit softer. What happened to the old Champion tip, that had a fibre backing, which I personally liked? Like Frank said, it did make the hit a bit softer. Had a littler give to it. I found I had better CB control with them. You never see them any more. Are they still made?.............$Bill

I've seen triumph tips with fiber backing

 

[Frank_Glenn]

I can't answer the first one (maybe add a fibre backer to the tip to make it softer?


Here's one for ya Blud. What Frank just said about the fibre backing on a tip making the hit softer. What happened to the old Champion tip, that had a fibre backing, which I personally liked? Like Frank said, it did make the hit a bit softer. Had a little give to it. I found I had better CB control with them. You never see them any more. Are they still made?.............$Bill

This is the tip I use. Right now you can get them, but they went out of business and I'll probably go to Triumph. Triumph also has the backer, and is a consistent medium hard.

 

[Michael Webb]

Triumph's are great tips. I wish Tweeten would add about .020 to the thickness and take them off those red pads which unless your very lucky, they fall off them any way.

 

[blud]

champion tips

I can't answer the first one (maybe add a fibre backer to the tip to make it softer?


Here's one for ya Blud. What Frank just said about the fibre backing on a tip making the hit softer. What happened to the old Champion tip, that had a fibre backing, which I personally liked? Like Frank said, it did make the hit a bit softer. Had a little give to it. I found I had better CB control with them. You never see them any more. Are they still made?.............$Bill

Hey Bill, champ, tips I only have about 200 of them left. Champs are history...The reason they seem to give you more control, is because right from the first ball you hit with them, they are broken-in. Yes ready to play hard and true. The thin layer of [good claves skin] was tanned perfectly, and hammered just right.

The pads I have alsways said, they muffle the hit. Not just making the hit softer, not giving you the true feel from hitting the ball.....

Mike, Webb, talks about the pads falling off, I think this is the type of glue they used. Contact-cement of some kind. I never like it because it wouldn't hold, and the tip could move around on the pads, becaue of the thickness of the glue used.
Hope this helps.
blud

 

[hemicudas]

Hey Bill, champ, tips I only have about 200 of them left. Champs are history...The reason they seem to give you more control, is because right from the first ball you hit with them, they are broken-in. Yes ready to play hard and true. The thin layer of [good claves skin] was tanned perfectly, and hammered just right.

The pads I have alsways said, they muffle the hit. Not just making the hit softer, not giving you the true feel from hitting the ball.....

Mike, Webb, talks about the pads falling off, I think this is the type of glue they used. Contact-cement of some kind. I never like it because it wouldn't hold, and the tip could move around on the pads, becaue of the thickness of the glue used.
Hope this helps.
blud

It does Blud and thanks.