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I'm also having trouble understanding your posts today, man!

Suspend center vs spin contact definitions for a moment and consider solely from the perspective a the tip striking a ball:
what is the likelihood one would strike the exact point intended?

It does not matter if it's right or left or up or down or english or Korean, the crucial determinant of accuracy is only how close to the intended point did one strike it?

'a little bit of something' is silly. A little left, a little center., A little hi-draw...shooter has same margin of error for each, as far as strike point goes.
Yeah but...
consider center ball same margin of error right?
Wrong. You have only half of your available error to get it right. So Wiley and OSullivan reason you deliberately add favoring english (whatever that means to the shooter) and in doing so you have recovered a significant portion of that lost 50% leeway.
 
Yeah but...
consider center ball same margin of error right?
Wrong. You have only half of your available error to get it right. So Wiley and OSullivan reason you deliberately add favoring english (whatever that means to the shooter) and in doing so you have recovered a significant portion of that lost 50% leeway.
Disagree.
 
yep a little margin is fine as thats about what most can do and if you aim and go towards the center of the pocket it wont matter much.

sure no one can hit the exact center as its an infinite point. but for practical purposes the exact center is the best a superior player can hit the point.

but if you shot is very close to the edge of the pocket a little tiny bit off center adds other factors which send the cueball in a slightly different direction than you planned. and may cause a miss.
 
Disagree.
yes as you can only do that if you know that the object ball is going to go in an off direction. so then just aiming more to that side of the pocket is the same thing and preferable.

as in throw you either aim more to the far side of the pocket or add spin to the shot and aim it the same as no throw.
 
Yeah but...
consider center ball same margin of error right?
Wrong. You have only half of your available error to get it right. So Wiley and OSullivan reason you deliberately add favoring english (whatever that means to the shooter) and in doing so you have recovered a significant portion of that lost 50% leeway.
How so? Let's assume you are aiming slightly to the right of center. If you miss slightly and hit center ball, and you are allowing for sidespin, then you miss the shot.
 
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How so? Let's assume you are aiming slightly to the right of center. If you miss and hit center ball, and you are allowing for sidespin, then you miss the shot.
Unless you remain within the useable margin of error in your strike point! Like all proficient players do.

You get me!!

Any chance you're a single hot woman who needs nothing and lives near me and knows how to cook?
 
How so? Let's assume you are aiming slightly to the right of center. If you miss slightly and hit center ball, and you are allowing for sidespin, then you miss the shot.

Uhhh...coz comparing exact anywhere to an undefined somewhere isn't apples/apples?

A shooter is no more likely to hit exact point X than he is to hit exact point Y, irrespective of what x/y are.
Yeah but...

When the target is dead center ball, 49.99999... % of your error is left english, and 49.99999...% of your error is right english. Cleary a bipolar incident in the making. By favoring one side, you eliminate the other and have one zone with100% anticipated and favorable shot action.
 
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I'm also having trouble understanding your posts today, man!

Suspend center vs spin contact definitions for a moment and consider solely from the perspective a the tip striking a ball:
what is the likelihood one would strike the exact point intended?

It does not matter if it's right or left or up or down or english or Korean, the crucial determinant of accuracy is only how close to the intended point did one strike it?

'a little bit of something' is silly. A little left, a little center., A little hi-draw...shooter has same margin of error for each, as far as strike point goes.
I've been saying this all along...1 tip, 2 tips english etc is ridiculous...you will never hit the exact english...and you can never truly hit center ball...so STOP trying to figure it out and let your muscle memory take over. I never consciously place english on my cueball...I just naturally line up for it based on the position I need...so do the pros.
 
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I've been saying this all along...1 tip, 2 tips english etc is ridiculous...you will never hit the exact english...and you can never truly hit center ball...so STOP trying to figure it out and let your muscle memory take over. I never consciously place english on my cueball...I just naturally line up for it based on the position I need...so do the pros.
Incorrect.

I can tell by your use of always and never.
 
Yeah but...

When the target is dead center ball, 49.99999... % of your error is left english, and 49.99999...% of your error is right english. Cleary a bipolar incident in the making. By favoring one side, you eliminate the other and have one zone with100% anticipated and favorable shot action.
I'd have to see the data to comment on your numeric dramatization!
 
Putting this here instead of new thread.

Ronnie O'Sullivan's Touch of Anything But

Deserves its own thread tbh bc a complete hijacking is taking place lol

Interesting vid. Mike Sigel said the same thing as Ronnie about always playing a little bit of side and never really wanting to hit it dead center. The idea being, as mentioned by some above, that the vast majority of your misses will be on that side of the ball to slightly varying degrees compared to 50/50 left/right of center. Same reasoning as golfers never playing for str8 shots and always choosing a str8ish fade or draw instead....it manages the miss.

The real interesting stuff in the vid tho starts around 6:45 when the guy breaks down Ronnie's delivery and explains a 'wheel-piston' stroke where Ronnie drops the cue to initiate the backswing and raises it back up to complete the backswing before the downswing from there. The motion is described as circular or a loop. It is continuous and has no real 'pause' in the backswing. I play this style as does, Earl, Efren, SVB, Mika, Varner,and many more, including just about any flowy Pinoy stroke. Fran sometimes describes the Filipino stroke as a "continuous loop". It is interesting Ronnie's stroke falls under the same category.

When comparing various golf swings, there is a category of swings that are 'physics-perfect'...swings featuring gravity and manipulation of momentum as the main drivers. A common feature of them is 'effortless power'. For pool, and I guess snooker thanks to Ronnie, this type of motion with the down/up component, or continuous loops if you will, is closer to being 'physics-perfect' than the str8 back, str8 thru cuing, which is often considered preferable mechanics-wise. If you are trying to understand Pinoy strokes, SVB's or any other of these (vertically) wobbly strokes, this move that Ronnie does, highlighted in the video, is at the core of them.
 
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Yeah, that video needs it's own thread. I watched it, some months back. Underlines how pure he can, cue through the ball. Wobbley summed it up well.
 
It really is that simple. I have been studying Gorst, Shaw, and Filler. To me they represent the best of pool. Gorst for deliberate technique, Filler for sniper, and Shaw for natural. The secret to playing like these players is to actually look like these players when you are shooting. If you don't have the exact technique they have then you will never be able to shoot like them. We all know club players who have been batting the balls around the pool hall for decades and have not improved an inch. If you approach pool right you will reach novice to pro level in 3 years tops. If its been longer than 3 years then you simply have stopped improving.

My suggestion is forget everything you know. Watch these players and view yourself shooting ie in the window reflection or video and just try to mimick what they are doing. If you forced Gorst, Shaw, and Filler to shoot the exact way you do, then they would be as bad as you...so the opposite is true.
Ayuh... Has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with having near perfect muscle memory and kinesthetics (the ability to know intuitively where your body/limbs are in space). Yah know.. The basic elements that are REQUIRED to be an elite athlete, virtuoso musician, etc..etc..etc..etc...

If the muscle movement is not burned permanently into muscle memory, then one will always have inconsistency, no matter how much they practice, and that slight inconsistency will be more than enough to separate you from them by at least 100 Fargo rate points of ability.

These pros are NEVER just good at pool alone. Many of them play golf at scratch level as well. Lots of video game wizards amongst the older pool pros. All games requiring a phenomenal natural level of hand/eye coordination, muscle memory, etc. Which is why they were shortstop level in pool within mere months of picking up the cue.

Rolling my eyes so hard at you right now....
 
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