Or they are playing in an international tournament or other major tournament that uses any rules other than CSI rules. Just ask Scott Frost or a host of other players getting fouls because they didn't know some rule.
Tony Chohan foul
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I quoted the relevant passages in the BCA rule book, and it's clearly not a foul in 1-pocket.
Read the preamble to section 6 titled "Fouls", then note how the sections for each game enumerate the section 6 fouls that apply to that game. In contrast, the 1-pocket section does not list any of the fouls from section 6, therefore they are excluded according to the preamble in section 6.
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Its a rule in 8 Ball, 9 Ball, 10 Ball..., but is that a rule listed for One Pocket?
Rules like this fall under the general rules of play, and apply to all games. Such as improper use of equipment, unsportsmanlike conduct, etc.
Each discipline only lists rules specific to their game, and then point to the general rules for the more common stuff.
To be honest, I would probably have just laughed at Tony for doing this and called him a banger if he was my opponet. It's just so unheard of by anyone that can run 3 balls. He didn't just let go of the stick for a second. He layed it on the table, took his sweet time, and walked all around the table checking all the angles. It's more of a shock than being a rule nanny.
The only thing I can thing of is the TD before the event explicitly said its OK to do this. Like climbing up on the table is OK in the Buffalo events.
billiards_watch
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1p is treated differently due to the complexity of the game so perhaps you can do what Tony did.
Anyways, its a Memorial Tournament and all pool rooms have their own house rules.
I played a guy in 8b and asked him the rules and he was shocked. I had to explain it to him that I play 8b at another pool hall and we may play it differently than here.
I get what your saying, but One Pocket has always had its own unique rules..., no one foot on the floor, climbing on the table, no ball in hand, so it just doesn't seem like a foul?
It would not bother me unless it was done repeatedly or if any ball was touched by the cue - just my way of thinking- yes one could call a foul though.
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You guys should see what I do on bank shots.
I like fingers mark the rails.
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I like fingers mark the rails.
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You still need one foot on the floor unless you’re at Buffalo’s. Good luck finding a bridge in the that joint. Tony probably brings his own bridge
No one foot one the floor in Texas either!! Might be because of all the traffic between Texas and Louisiana!! And your right about finding a bridge in Buffalo's.
In the BCA rule book, Section 1 contains the General Rules which include things like equipment specifications, how to spot balls, what to do if a ball "settles" and falls into a pocket, the definition of cue ball in hand, etc. Then the ruleset for each specific game begins with the statement:
Fouls are not described in the section containing the General Rules, instead fouls are described in a separate section, section 6, and the BCA rule book states that they are only fouls in a specific game "when included in the rules of the game being played." 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball, etc. present a list of the section 6 fouls that apply to those games (giving no description of the foul, just a reference to the section 6 subsection where the foul is described), and those games all include the cue on the table foul, while 1-pocket does not. In other words, the rules for each specific game DO NOT say, "All Section 6 fouls apply unless contradicted by the rules for this game." Rather Section 6 requires that each specific game present a list of the section 6 fouls that apply to that game. The ruleset for 1-pocket does not list ANY section 6 fouls that apply to 1-pocket, rather the 1-pocket ruleset describes fouls that do apply, and the cue stick on the table foul is not described anywhere in the 1-pocket ruleset.
According to the BCA rulebook, you can let go of your cue stick any time you want when you are playing 1-pocket. Therefore, if you are playing a tournament under the BCA rules, you can let go of your stick while playing 1-pocket, and it is not a foul.
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I completely disagree with most of what you're saying. Only CSI says you can let go of the cue. Cuesight, Billiards.com, and others that reference BCA all say you cannot let go of the cue. Even the BCA references the WPA standard rules. I even looked up the WPBA rules, can't let go of the cue. The specific 1 pocket rules are the exceptions to the general rules, there is no exception to letting go of the cue that I've seen. I have been researching this every day since I brought up this rule. Of course, it's possible I'm wrong. Of all the organization rules that I've found, only CSI says you can let go of the cue, that's a pretty small % of tournaments.
I got called on this many years ago because a put my stick on the table so I could pay the waitress for my coffee(she was standing right next to me).There was no measuring,just wanted to pay so she could go on with her other orders.Doesn't that rule apply to bridges as well?
If I were the house I might bar the guy calling the foul. In an action match, no, I’d leave it to the players. House added money tournament the foul caller would be at least warned that staff and their tips come before his desire to be a nit.
in all sports i can think of all fouls are or can be called and will be enforced if called. no pressure on the opponent not to call it.
although in most the referee if there is one, makes the decision if the foul is enforceable.
tournaments are a game of rules and that is how they operate. and in reality the opponent does not have the power to decide to call it or not.
the reason being that the foul might affect that match and also affect the whole tournament results as such.
although in most the referee if there is one, makes the decision if the foul is enforceable.
tournaments are a game of rules and that is how they operate. and in reality the opponent does not have the power to decide to call it or not.
the reason being that the foul might affect that match and also affect the whole tournament results as such.