Top Level Snooker vs Pool?
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I think a better test would be Ronnie VS SVB in Snooker and 10 ball, considering 8 ball plays more like Snooker than rotation.
That being said, I like the theoretical question of Ronnie VS Efren in Snooker & Rotation, with both players in their prime of course. I like The Magicians odds of winning a frame of snooker before Ronnie wins a set of rotation by a longshot.
That being said, I like the theoretical question of Ronnie VS Efren in Snooker & Rotation, with both players in their prime of course. I like The Magicians odds of winning a frame of snooker before Ronnie wins a set of rotation by a longshot.
In case there was any doubt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44J0ro3ES1I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44J0ro3ES1I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I honestly think if Ronnie decided to take up pool seriously, he would be competing at a world-class level in any pool game in a relatively short amount of time.
Shane, however, really has no chance at becoming a top-flight snooker player at his age. Even just breaking the top 100 would be unlikely imo.
With difference in prize money between snooker and pool tournaments, you'd think pool pros would be flocking to join the snooker tour, but they all know it's just not possible.
Shane, however, really has no chance at becoming a top-flight snooker player at his age. Even just breaking the top 100 would be unlikely imo.
With difference in prize money between snooker and pool tournaments, you'd think pool pros would be flocking to join the snooker tour, but they all know it's just not possible.
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I do snigger to myself when you chaps discuss snooker. It's akin to me babbling breathlessly about baseball.
Firstly, you are comparing probably the best snooker player in the world right now with a pool player who some would debate is even in the top ten in the world let alone the top five.
Secondly, you are talking about a pool player who probably has rarely touched a snooker cue, whereas there are many European players who have played snooker at some sort of reasonable level - even if only for fun.
For example, Melling has been a challenge tour snooker professional and if you were to have the same ridiculous discussion of the same ridiculous match between him and O'Sullivan then you can be fairly sure that Melling would win both sets before O'Sullivan did.
And for the five thousandth time, snooker is an easy game. Much easier than snooker. Much less to learn. All you have to be able to do is pot and make breaks. It's ridiculously easy compared to pool.
O'Sullivan, whilst a magical shot maker, has no knowledge of the game of pool and would have to serve the very same apprenticeship in pool that other cuemen from other cue sport disciplines had to serve before "dominating" the game.
Firstly, you are comparing probably the best snooker player in the world right now with a pool player who some would debate is even in the top ten in the world let alone the top five.
Secondly, you are talking about a pool player who probably has rarely touched a snooker cue, whereas there are many European players who have played snooker at some sort of reasonable level - even if only for fun.
For example, Melling has been a challenge tour snooker professional and if you were to have the same ridiculous discussion of the same ridiculous match between him and O'Sullivan then you can be fairly sure that Melling would win both sets before O'Sullivan did.
And for the five thousandth time, snooker is an easy game. Much easier than snooker. Much less to learn. All you have to be able to do is pot and make breaks. It's ridiculously easy compared to pool.
O'Sullivan, whilst a magical shot maker, has no knowledge of the game of pool and would have to serve the very same apprenticeship in pool that other cuemen from other cue sport disciplines had to serve before "dominating" the game.
The questions is, whether or not Ronnie could be SVB at 8Ball (WPA rules)?
The other is irrelevant - Ronnie is the current Snooker World Champion and the best Snooker player in the world today. This is a fact not for debate. :thumbup:
The other is irrelevant - Ronnie is the current Snooker World Champion and the best Snooker player in the world today. This is a fact not for debate. :thumbup:
You might as well ask whether Ronnie could beat Nadal at tennis.
Lunacy. Isn't Shane's high break in snooker around the 50 mark?
TheThaiger
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No chance, ever. Frankly, the comparison is hugely embarrassing.
If you want to compare players, how about Potts Vs SVB in an all-around 8 ball - say 20 English pool, 30 Chinese pool and 50 American?
Potts wins comfortably.
Who is rating SVB lower than tenth in the world???
Potts is another pool player that has knocked in many many centuries.
Why do people keep comparing SVB anyway? He's got no history at the top level. No "recognised" world titles at all in any discipline.
Me for a start.
Although to be fair, he is 9th in the offical world rankings.
Put another way, I'm not sure he would get into the European Mosconi Cup team - if he was European..
TheThaiger
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There is not a cue sport ever invented that Ronnie wouldn't massacre SVB at. That won't change until breaking becomes a discipline in its own right.
Love is blind. Your boy Van Boening misses easy shots left, right and centre - do you not see them?
That sums up quite nicely a lot of posts on this board about SVB.
I think the Mosconi Cup is a different matter. I'd agree that he wouldn't get into the European team (and I don't think he should be an automatic choice for the US one either, but that's another debate altogether), but it's a competition that really plays away from SVB's strengths - the team format, boisterous atmosphere, short races, pressure to carry a lagging American team, etc. really don't suit him.
In terms of standard singles play (whatever that is in the current, messy pool world), I'd really struggle to name ten players who are better than him, in spite of his flaws as a player and how overrated he can get on here.
Obviously it's very subjective, but out of interest, who do you have ahead of him?
TheThaiger
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Preaching to the choir here mate. When he's won something, they may have a point. Until then...According to some around here, SVB is the in top 16 cue sport players of all time!
He would be the bestest player ever if he didn't have to travel to those nasty foreign countries, eat their horrible food, listen to their filthy language, and if everyone played the right game, on the right table, for the right money, in the right race at the right time, with the chance of a rematch, and it's winner-stays-on. THEN he'd show 'em!
Apart from the ones already above him?
Dennis Orcollo for a start.
It's difficult to say really as there are now so few tournaments that have them all present.
It was more a counteraction to the continual, over done, arse licking of, with out a doubt, the USA's best player - forgetting players far better qualified.
It's a stupid debate frankly but even in the unlikely event a matchup of this nature was to take place between a pool player and a snooker player then it would make fare more sense to pitch O'Sullivan against someone that has actually played some snooker.
For my money, it would have to be Melling. O'Sullivan would always be favourite, but as others have said he does blow hot and cold and Melling is more than capable of stringing together back to back one frame clearances. I have played snooker against him and got the balls out for him whilst he was on his way to four centuries in five frames..
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Frankly, it would be any brit above any american player because we are more likely to have played snooker to a decent standard.
For crying out loud even I can knock in half centuries at snooker and I hardly play the game.
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I'd rank Orcollo above Van Boening, too. But there are more than a handful of players ranked ahead of SVB by the WPA that I'd rank him ahead of.
I agree with this. It is tough to say, and the deifying of SVB by American fans gets a little wearying at the best of times. I still think he's one of the best players in the world, though.
Agree.