Well, to be fair, I don't personally rate him as highly as the top Europeans anyway. Must be because of their "snooker backgrounds" lol...
Top Level Snooker vs Pool?
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Well, to be fair, I don't personally rate him as highly as the top Europeans anyway. Must be because of their "snooker backgrounds" lol...
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And round and round the merry-go-round goes
Snooker is not hard at all. I know. I play snooker. At least 2/3 times a month. Makes a refreshing change from pool. Not for long mind. It bores me (personally) after a while.
Mind you, I don't play competitive snooker any more. Does that help?
Quinten Hann won the same world title. Peach won in 9 ball. Drago has won tournaments, and in other events players like O'Sullivan, Davis, White, and now Pettman have competed with and on rare occasions beaten big-name pool players like Immonen, Reyes, Bustamante etc. Snooker players are not better than pool players at pool...this is obvious. But they are better at competing in the other's game.
The original question in this thread is who would have a harder time winning at the other's game. I can cite numerous instances of snooker players being competitive, and even winning at pool games against top players. Not in races to 30, but there's still some competition. The only evidence I can find of pool players playing snooker (Corey, Rempe and Mizerak) shows them failing to compete with very low-ranked players, or even amateurs. I have linked to all of these results.
The exceptional result from Rempe and Mizerak's joint assaults on the World Professional Snooker title was a last 128 finish, with bad losses to no-name players otherwise. Miz lost his first matches in 1988 and 1989, 5 rounds from the last 32, by 10-2 and 10-1. Rempe lost his first rounds to journeymen 10-4 and 10-5. These were losses against players no one has ever heard of - not against top professional players of the day like Steve Davis. They never got close to that.
Corey recently lost badly in all of his snooker group matches against amateurs, except against an 8 year old:
http://www.cuetracker.net/pages/players.php?ID=5369&year=2013
With only what I have given as evidence (anything anyone else has by way of actual evidence more than welcome), how can anyone honestly believe that pool players have the better end of the switch? What do you base that on?
Off the top of my head:
Mark Gray ex Snooker pro - became Mosconi Cup winner
Daryl Peach - ex Snooker Pro - became 9Ball World Champion & MC Winner
Tony Drago - existing Snooker pro - became World Master Champion & MC Winner :thumb up:
Yes Corey SUCKS at snooker! His first attempt at a snooker tourney he won?
http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/NewsArticles/0,,13165~3194252,00.html
http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/NewsArticles/0,,13165~3194252,00.html
"the 2013 United States National Championship title at Snooker 147 Bar and Grill in Houston, Texas."
lol
Wow, reams and reams of top quality nasty horrible snooker players winning pool events and making pool players look silly...
Really??? LOL
Really??? LOL
I believe he has a losing record - I'm not 100% on that, though. And yeah, I'm pretty sure it was just those two appearances.
Ahh, so you are just a troll!
The name was a bit of a giveaway. Until you actually respond to a reasonable argument/question, I'll have to bow out. I actually thought you believed the nonsense you were posting.
Yet he is considered the best cueist on the planet?
Session 7[edit]
Results
Singles
Ralf Souquet
0–2
(1–3, 3–5)
Singles
C.J. Wiley
Singles
Andy Richardson
0–2
(1–3, 2–4)
Singles
Roger Griffis
Singles
Ronnie O'Sullivan
1–2
(3–1, 1–3, 2–4)
Singles
Mike Massey
Singles
Mika Immonen
0–1
(4–5)
Singles
Shannon Daulton
0
Session
4
12
Overall
13
Session 8[edit]
Results
Singles
Ralf Souquet
1–0
(3–1)
Singles
Earl Strickland
Singles
Oliver Ortmann
0–1
(1–3)
Singles
Shannon Daulton
Doubles
Steve Davis
Ronnie O'Sullivan
0–1
(4–5)
Doubles
Earl Strickland
C.J. Wiley
1
Session
2
13
Overall
15
I'm definitely not arguing Ronnie is one of the best pool players in the world, but some tournament results from close to twenty years ago is hardly damning evidence otherwise.
True, but thats all we have to go by! If they consider him the best cueist on earth then why has he not been back on the team? I find him to be amazing in snooker when he has his stuff together, but these guys saying he would run over SVB is nuts. The match will not ever happen but I think Ronnie would win snooker and SVB would win any pool match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cppkHSIJdII
I haven't mentioned the Mosconi Cup since the races are so ridiculously short, but if we're going to pick and choose...why not choose Ronnie beating Strickland? I don't think either result really shows anything, but the point remains that snooker players can at least compete with top pool players, and no one can give any evidence of pool players doing the same.
There is no point in demonstrating that pool players are better than pool - that's a given. Just give some kind of evidence that pool players can compete at all with top snooker players in a similar way. That was the question, the hypothetical bet, and no one seems to have any advance on the efforts of Deuel, Rempe and Mizerak. Pool fundamentals just aren't strict enough to play a very good standard of snooker.
Corey did try, didn't he win the first tourney he entered? Granted it was the US snooker championship, but still won on his first try! We play pool and over there you play snooker. Honestly this is much like saying my dad can beat up your dad.
Plenty has been given, Efren beat Ronnie and Jimmy b.o. 5 getting a 25 point spot,
Corey Deuel winning the US championship, Jim Rempe beat the scottisch champion in a race to 9,
all 3 barely even played the game for more then a few weeks. Imagine what happens if they play every day.
But, you choose to say, well those were just meaningless tournament and "fun" matches, they don't count.
Fact is it did happen and it does count you just choose to close your eyes for it, why I do not know.
gr. Dave
The Scottish snooker player you mention was John Rea. His career highlights can be seen here:
http://www.snookerdatabase.co.uk/PlayerDetails.aspx?playerKey=233
Is this your definition of a top player?
The Efren story is an anecdote that changes with every telling, and almost always involves a spot. And who did Corey beat to win the US snooker championship?
We have Rempe scraping past a player who only twice ever made the last 32 in professional play (what is shown on TV as the first round), an anecdote involving a large handicap, and Corey beating club players in a country with very few active snooker players, before losing convincingly at the first stage against amateurs.
How is any of this evidence that pool players can compete with top snooker players even?
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This debate should be getting a little embarrassing now for the pool players. When is it time to simply admit that pool players have no chance of moving over to snooker and being successful? FFS, there is NO money in pool and there is heaps in snooker, you think if these guys had any chance to actually go over there and win millions in snooker they would not do it? Ronnie has won over 7 million pounds in his career, that is more then any pool player can even dream about winning in a lifetime. If a pool player had a chance to get there and play the game at the world class pro level they would do it. Some have tried, and they failed miserably. Story's about Corey beating an 8 year old kid do not make a good argument, they are freaking ridiculous in fact...
You are living in la la land. I don't know why this is even a debate. Shane is a favorite over Ronnie in longer races in pool, and Shane has virtually no chance against Ronnie or any top 100 professional snooker player in longer races (not single frames).
Corey winning the US snooker championship is not even a good example. That's like comparing kindergarten basketball to the NBA.
Players like Chris Melling, Daryl Peach made the switch from snooker to pool, because they weren't getting any results in snooker. So, it's not like "hey what would happen if they practice snooker everyday". As with any sport, you have to dedicate your life to it and start really really young. Otherwise you have zero chance on the professional circuit.
PS - A better debate would be who would win a fight between Superman and The Hulk.