Top Level Snooker vs Pool?

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And round and round the merry-go-round goes :(

Snooker is not hard at all. I know. I play snooker. At least 2/3 times a month. Makes a refreshing change from pool. Not for long mind. It bores me (personally) after a while.

Mind you, I don't play competitive snooker any more. Does that help?


Ummmm!! I wonder why!
 
money list

http://www.worldsnooker.com/staticFiles/b7/c0/0,,13165~180407,00.pdf

top 16 for 2013/14
X 1.67 for USD

Ding Junhui
£598,171
Neil Robertson
£580,248
Mark Selby
£424,089
Ronnie O'Sullivan
£375,616
Judd Trump
£347,822
Barry Hawkins
£333,699
Marco Fu
£279,373
Ricky Walden
£257,860
Mark Allen
£255,118
John Higgins MBE
£248,459
Stuart Bingham
£248,081
Shaun Murphy
£243,405
Stephen Maguire
£202,976
Allister Carter
£178,625
Mark Davis
£172,963
Joe Perry
£169,065

This list shows the prize money earned by Tour players during the 2012-2013 season in those tournaments which determine the prize money based rankings list, as well as prize money earned by Tour Players in the 2013-2014 season so far. Those players who joined the Tour at the start of the 2013-2014 season started this season on zero pounds.
Still a few more events left in this season including the big one WSC

So to be clear, these are rolling 2 year earnings? If so, then I think these numbers are consistent with the link I posted which show snooker to be approx 3-4x greater than pool.

However, are these snooker earnings all added monies? Or, like pool, do they largely consist of player entry fees? If the former, then snooker would be considerably more profitable than pool.
 
Considering the fact that most pool players have to pay all their expenses out of pocket, the difference in earnings is much, much greater.
 
So to be clear, these are rolling 2 year earnings? If so, then I think these numbers are consistent with the link I posted which show snooker to be approx 3-4x greater than pool.

However, are these snooker earnings all added monies? Or, like pool, do they largely consist of player entry fees? If the former, then snooker would be considerably more profitable than pool.

There are no entry fees for the main tour. Ranked players are qualified to play in ranking events. Invitation events like the premier league invite specific top ranked players and wild cards. The Q school, which is meant for top amateurs to qualify for the main tour, has a nominal entry fees. Most tournaments are backed by a sponsor.
 
So to be clear, these are rolling 2 year earnings? If so, then I think these numbers are consistent with the link I posted which show snooker to be approx 3-4x greater than pool.

However, are these snooker earnings all added monies? Or, like pool, do they largely consist of player entry fees? If the former, then snooker would be considerably more profitable than pool.

It's all sponsors money, and yes it is rolling but the big one (worlds) and a few others for 2013/14 are yet to come.

here is the WSC payouts for 2013 I would expect 2014 to be slightly more.

Winner: £250,000
Runner-up: £125,000
Semi-finals: £52,000
Quarter-finals: £24,050
Last 16: £16,000
Last 32: £12,000
Last 48: £8,200
Last 64: £4,600
High break (TV): £10,000
High break (non-TV): £1,000

Total: £1,111,000
 
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JMHO but I don't believe that any pool player alive could compete with a top 15 snooker player in snooker. If they could they would be over there playing for real money instead of the peanuts paid over here. This argument just won't hold water. Give O'Sullivan 6 months at pool and he would win that too.
 
2014 World Snooker Champion will win £300,000.
That's more than half a million American.
£1 = $1.67 U.S.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...mpion-pocket-300-000-reveals-Barry-Hearn.html

Ronnie won The Masters in January - £200,000 ($335,000 U.S.) an i
nvitational tournament.

Just won the Welsh Open for a mere £60,000 ($100,000 U.S.)

There were years when Ronnie won more money from the Premier League, also an invitational series (not held in 2013), than he did from ranking tournaments.

And he picks up appearance fees, sponsorships. etc.
So he has a good chance to make seven figures annually in either currency. :D
But playing in very few tournaments.

http://www.inside-snooker.com/snooker/ts4eshesq7k1wxvdnlym4fyy9fzbrj
 
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2014 World Snooker Champion will win £300,000.
That's more than half a million American.
£1 = $1.67 U.S.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...mpion-pocket-300-000-reveals-Barry-Hearn.html

Ronnie won The Masters in January - £200,000 ($335,000 U.S.) an i
nvitational tournament.

Just won the Welsh Open for a mere £60,000 ($100,000 U.S.)

There were years when Ronnie won more money from the Premier League, also an invitational series (not held in 2013), than he did from ranking tournaments.

And he picks up appearance fees, sponsorships. etc.
So he has a good chance to make seven figures annually in either currency. :D
But playing in very few tournaments.

http://www.inside-snooker.com/snooker/ts4eshesq7k1wxvdnlym4fyy9fzbrj

Worth noting the Masters is not included in the money list either but is a huge chunk o change
 
2014 World Snooker Champion will win £300,000.
That's more than half a million American.
£1 = $1.67 U.S.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...mpion-pocket-300-000-reveals-Barry-Hearn.html

Ronnie won The Masters in January - £200,000 ($335,000 U.S.) an i
nvitational tournament.

Just won the Welsh Open for a mere £60,000 ($100,000 U.S.)

There were years when Ronnie won more money from the Premier League, also an invitational series (not held in 2013), than he did from ranking tournaments.

And he picks up appearance fees, sponsorships. etc.
So he has a good chance to make seven figures annually in either currency. :D
But playing in very few tournaments.

http://www.inside-snooker.com/snooker/ts4eshesq7k1wxvdnlym4fyy9fzbrj

Worth noting the Masters is not included in the money list either but is a huge chunk o change, also this invitational is not in either and would push him to about 3/4 million pounds

Ronnie Is Champion Of Champions
29th November 2013
Ronnie O'Sullivan won the inaugural 888casino Champion Of Champions tournament with a 10-8 final victory over Stuart Bingham

O'SULLIVAN put in another superb match play performance as he held off Bingham in the closing stages to claim the title and a cheque for £100,000 at the Ricoh Arena, Coventry.
 
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Potts probably has less of a break than Ronnie and he figured the chinese 8 ball break out better than anyone. SVB won't be offering to play him at that game any time soon, I can assure you of that.

OK, how about this. I feel the Chinese 8-ball is about as close to halfway between snooker and pool as you are going to get.
Who would you make the favorite between Ronnie and Shane today?

gr. Dave
 
Wow, a troll thread, up to 15 pages now...And all kinds of trolls too.
Some unique breeds of trolls are of course here, and some are hard to even classify.

There is the traditional snooker troll: Everyone is familiar with this breed if they have watched youtube pool videos, where there is always a multitude of guys claiming pool is so easy that they could easily beat every world champion. Interestingly they don't play cue games anymore or claim it is not worth their time:p.

Then there is a new breed the: "Reverse snooker troll" which is exactly like the former, but in reverse. An extremely rare breed, of which I personally have only observed one.

The aiming trolls have not fully made their appearance yet, but are sure to if the thread reaches 20 pages

Then there are the money player trolls. Most famous for claiming that only money games matter, and that tournament victories are meaningless. Closely related to the long race troll.

The illogical fan boy trolls are also here. These are the guys that claim that player x is the best in the world, even though he or she has not won anything or is ranked low on the world ranking list.

I think as this thread progresses we will see yet new species and breeds.

Then you have the "I don't know what to say so I'll call everyone a troll" troll.

Appears now and again on long threads and posts a randomly meaningless post about something completely off topic as a compensation for their lack of knowledge on a subject or their inherent inability to safely feed a troll without getting troll saliva on their sleeve.

Often found on other threads using short agreeing posts that serve no purpose but increase the length of the thread and the trolls post count

"what he said"
"SVB does"
"like it"
"love it"

Back on topic anyone?
 
The reason why I call these categories of posters trolls is that they spew out exactly the same statements over and over again, and get the predicted response every time. Nobody ever tries to make any sort of reasoned argument, instead they just spit out the same old hogwash over and over.

In the main, I will simply refer to my post above (218 I think?)

Ok. Back on topic you say. The reason this discussion is never ending and becomes repetitive is the fact that no one at the top of their game is especially motivated to switch games, or is too old to waste a year of their life adapting to the equipment difference. (Except, maybe Stephen Lee now. Even he would be better off getting a real job). The pool players who tried to switch came up short. Examples: Rempe, Mizerak, Deuel (although i don't know how serious that attempt was or if it is even over). Steve Davis is IMHO the best snooker player at playing pool and even though he places high in the WPC now and again, he does not win it. Until someone like SVB or Ronnie O'Sullivan tries to switch we will never have the true answer. Ronnie's brief adventure into IPT, may show something, however it was brief and I don't know how serious attempt it actually was.

Sure, a really good snooker player will usually be decent at pool without even putting in much effort, and in my experience really good pool players can also play snooker ok. But when we are talking about peak performance in either branch of pocket billiards, only those who truly specialize will have a chance.

What about 3-cushion? Blomdahl once beat Reyes at pool, does that mean that 3-cushion players are better or more skilled than pool players? Of course not, it's just silly to make these kinds of arguments.

I agree with your sentiments pretty much 100%.

In essence, all sports are equally hard. Number one is number one, to get to the number one spot it must therefore be equally hard.

Snooker is not "harder" than pool. It is different is all. It might be "hard" for a pool player or anyone else that does not play snooker on a regular basis.

It amazes me how people, particularly pool players themselves, don't get it.
 
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