Toughest Shot Survey

Boro Nut said:
A. Straight in. Every time.

Boro Nut
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I think for myself, on other types of shots that might be close to the rail, I might prefer a slight cut to straight in because I can use some spin to hold it closer to the rail and spin it into the pocket in case I don't stroke straight due to puckering asshole syndrome, especially if the CB and OB are closer together. But...what the hell do I know.
 
drivermaker said:
I think for myself, on other types of shots that might be close to the rail, I might prefer a slight cut to straight in because I can use some spin to hold it closer to the rail and spin it into the pocket in case I don't stroke straight due to puckering asshole syndrome, especially if the CB and OB are closer together. But...what the hell do I know.
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I dunno . . . . what DO you know???? :p

Thanks for bring the rain back with you . . . . :rolleyes:
 
Boro Nut said:
For my part I think it's obvious that a straight shot is the easiest, not only from personal experience, but by simple logic. The sweet spot is largest when it's staring you in the face straight on. A few degrees off centre the reduction is not significant and you may not notice the difference, but by the time the cut approaches 90° your margin of error is disappearing to zero. So statistically, any cut is always harder than a straight shot.

Enough data for a pie chart I think

Most Difficult Shot

Straight Steak & Kidney Pie - SJM, JLW, ScottR, NoSho, Opie, BlowF - 43%

Cut Apple Pie - LA, CH65, RodD, VAP, QN, BN - 43%

Don't like Pie - DM, PL - 14%

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Me thinks if your doing a poll, you'd do well by getting the vote correct! :D

Rod
 
drivermaker said:
But you gotta be a numbskull to be addressing MY post. Have you seen what Lora Ann looks like? Not only is she the new forum hottie...but she makes Marissa look like a big pile of Great Dane (you know what). Redirect your laser beam to a new target ;) :D
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DM,
I doubt that is Lora Ann's actual pic..For all I know it could be a guy behind that handle!!!
 
Boro Nut said:
Assume it's the nine ball. Don't get confused by other issues, I'm just interested in how difficult you think making each particular shot is, relatively. Would this change your answer?

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Well in that case, the ONLY ball I prefer to be straight-in on is the 9 ball.
 
dooziexx said:
DM,
I doubt that is Lora Ann's actual pic..For all I know it could be a guy behind that handle!!!
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I don't know about a guy, but I agree. Seems awful strange to have the same modus operandi as another on here with multiple glamour shots and changing avatars. Starting out exactly the same way...
 
Rodd said:
I have no idea why people need an aming system, you either see the angle or you don't. I suppose some need a blanket (thinking of Linus in Peanuts) since there method (whatever that was) didn't work.

If you don't hit where you aim, C/B and O/B -- well I'll let you all fill in the blanks.

Be that as it may, I'll take the straight in any day, even if whitey is on the rail. There is a little trick to making those rail shots easier. I'd imagine the vote on this will be fairly close.

Rod
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I agree with you Rod, I think aiming systems are only useful for very inexperienced beginners. I think that once you get to a certain point, you just look at the shot and automatically know where to hit it to make it. That's why I think products such as "The Spider" might be useful for a beginner for about 2 weeks before you didn't need it anymore.
 
Opie said:
I agree with you Rod, I think aiming systems are only useful for very inexperienced beginners.
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Opie, I'd like to make note of this comment to enter into the "stupidest f*#king comment of the year award for 2005". Right now it's the front runner, but there's still about 6 months to go. It'll be hard to beat....
 
Opie said:
I agree with you Rod, I think aiming systems are only useful for very inexperienced beginners. I think that once you get to a certain point, you just look at the shot and automatically know where to hit it to make it. That's why I think products such as "The Spider" might be useful for a beginner for about 2 weeks before you didn't need it anymore.
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You might want inform the pros that they no longer need an aiming system, I'm sure they will be relieved. In reality their aiming system became comfortably integrated in their play without any thought, or in automatic mode. That is unless they are fighting to get in stroke, in which case they bring their aiming system to a much more conscious level. Next time you see a pro, ask them how they aim. You may be surprised.
 
Well, I mean you just "see" the angle or you don't. I understand using different systems for kicking and banking, but what's so fucking hard about making an average shot provided it's not at an extreme angle or you don't have to spin the hell out of the cue ball to obtain difficult shape. I think when people miss alot of shots it's not because they aimed it up wrong, I think it's becuase they stroked it wrong.
 
Opie said:
Well, I mean you just "see" the angle or you don't. I think when people miss alot of shots it's not because they aimed it up wrong, I think it's becuase they stroked it wrong.
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You can "see" the angle, but you still have to set up to the shot properly and align YOURSELF along with the CB and OB to each other or the shaft of your cue down some sort of line. This doesn't happen automatically.

A gunslinger in the old west could also "see" his target very clearly, but he's not going to be anywhere near as accurate by quick drawing and firing from the hip as he will if he takes his time to line up and aim at his target, I don't care how good of a shot he might be.

I tend to disagree with you about stroking it wrong. A long time player that's skilled has a pretty damn grooved stroke. That back and forth action is more automatic to me than the alignment and seeing the shot properly. It's the eyes that play tricks more than the function of the arm.

Go over to the forum on www.billiardsdigest.com and read the thread about aiming. There's a lot of back and forth on the subject and maybe you'll learn something. But then again....maybe not. And if not...stay a hack.
 
drivermaker said:
Go over to the forum on www.billiardsdigest.com and read the thread about aiming. There's a lot of back and forth on the subject and maybe you'll learn something. But then again....maybe not. And if not...stay a hack.
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I love it when someone judges how well someone can play over an internet forum. Drivermaker, you've obviously been on this site a lot longer than me and I respect you and your opinions, but how do you know how well I play? Even pros have varying opinions on different subjects. How one pro would play a shot, another might play entirely different. Nevertheless, they're both still pros. Just as we both have varying opinions on this subject, and since neither one of us played at the WPC, we're probably both hacks.
 
TATE said:
The question isn't presented properly because.......
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I agree with Tate, in that the question needs to be a little more specific.

Would you rather have a long straight frozen to the rail OB and CB shot? Or an almost frozen to the short rail 90 degree length of the table cut? Pick your poison, both are equally fun.

Rick
 
Opie said:
I love it when someone judges how well someone can play over an internet forum.

Just as we both have varying opinions on this subject, and since neither one of us played at the WPC, we're probably both hacks.
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Sometimes it's quite easy to judge how well someone plays or doesn't play by their comments. Based on your original comment about aiming, I'll stand by my assessment.

When I was coming up there was no such thing as the WPC. If that's the criteria for determining hackdom, then I'm a hack.

On the other hand, I had to shoot some pretty sporty pool to feed myself, pay some bills, and keep a roof over my head for a period of time. You ever have to do that or have an inclination to give it a try based on the strength of your game?
 
drivermaker said:
Sometimes it's quite easy to judge how well someone plays or doesn't play by their comments. Based on your original comment about aiming, I'll stand by my assessment.

When I was coming up there was no such thing as the WPC. If that's the criteria for determining hackdom, then I'm a hack.

On the other hand, I had to shoot some pretty sporty pool to feed myself, pay some bills, and keep a roof over my head for a period of time. You ever have to do that or have an inclination to give it a try based on the strength of your game?
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I didn't want to get into an argument when I first posted on this thread. I just stated my opinion. I enjoy this forum quite a bit but the only thing that gets me is when someone starts an argument. You can disagree with someone without being a dick about it. Your right, your probably a better player than me. But it's pointless to argue about it, 'cause in all likelihood we'll never meet each other, let alone play pool together. And with the attitude you give on here sometimes, I wouldn't want to play you anyway.
 
drivermaker said:
That back and forth action is more automatic to me than the alignment and seeing the shot properly. It's the eyes that play tricks more than the function of the arm.
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for me it's the uncontrollable shaking...but it could be the eyes too, who knows
 
Egg McDogit said:
for me it's the uncontrollable shaking...
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Sounds to me like you're going too long in between drinks or injections, that's all.

Bartender...send another round to the guy at the end of the bar with the tremors that keeps losing at the pool table........
 
Opie said:
I didn't want to get into an argument when I first posted on this thread. I just stated my opinion. I enjoy this forum quite a bit but the only thing that gets me is when someone starts an argument. You can disagree with someone without being a dick about it. Your right, your probably a better player than me. But it's pointless to argue about it, 'cause in all likelihood we'll never meet each other, let alone play pool together. And with the attitude you give on here sometimes, I wouldn't want to play you anyway.
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That's the fun of it, you never know when your world can get turned all upside down and you're sucked into the abyss of dickdom and all the exciment. Aren't forums great?!

I don't remember woofing or asking you to play so don't get your hopes up...but, c'mon....you'd enjoy the hell out of yourself. Not only would I keep you entertained, but I could show you a magic trick or two. Everybody loves magic. I'll bet I could make a $100 disappear from your wallet without you even realizing that I was aiming my ass off to do it..........
 
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