Tournament Directior - Snooker vs Pool

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIiFsc1rqG8

Here is a video of the behind the scenes activities at the world snooker championship - 10 years ago.

Tournament director makes sure the players are dressed, medicated etc.
How does that compare to the responsibilities of, say, Jay Helfert and others of his ilk?

Do pool tables at tournaments get the same loving attention?

How does the camera setups compare to pool streams?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Until Cory takes the field there is absolutely nothing going on in snooker for the rest of the month, so I may as well hang out here. :grin:
 
Until Pool has an accountable world body which enforces its rules, it will always be decades behind professional Snooker. Even most amateur Snooker leagues have more professionalism than Pool...

...And that's not to the detriment of any one Pool tournament Director. In fact, I have the up most respect for the majority of Pool tournament directors who give their time to a game that gives so little back!
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How does pool compare to snooker?

How does snooker compare to golf?

How does golf compare to NBA basketball?

How does NBA basketball compare to NFL football?

The "attention to every detail" is directly related to how much money is in the sport. There's very little money in pool, so it can't afford all the nicities that other sports can.

I honestly can't think of another sport with pro-level competition that has less money than pool. Can you? (I guess there are some Olympic sports that don't pay -- and therefore aren't pro-level -- like luge, bobsled, etc. where the sport could never exist without the Olympic imprimatur), but what other "paying sport" actually pays less than pool?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIiFsc1rqG8

Here is a video of the behind the scenes activities at the world snooker championship - 10 years ago.

Tournament director makes sure the players are dressed, medicated etc.
How does that compare to the responsibilities of, say, Jay Helfert and others of his ilk?

Do pool tables at tournaments get the same loving attention?

How does the camera setups compare to pool streams?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Until Cory takes the field there is absolutely nothing going on in snooker for the rest of the month, so I may as well hang out here. :grin:
The tournament you are referring to does something like 50 or more hours of live TV production. Comparing that to the average a pool tournament is like comparing a high school play to Broadway.
 
How does pool compare to snooker?

How does snooker compare to golf?

How does golf compare to NBA basketball?

How does NBA basketball compare to NFL football?

The "attention to every detail" is directly related to how much money is in the sport. There's very little money in pool, so it can't afford all the nicities that other sports can.

I honestly can't think of another sport with pro-level competition that has less money than pool. Can you? (I guess there are some Olympic sports that don't pay -- and therefore aren't pro-level -- like luge, bobsled, etc. where the sport could never exist without the Olympic imprimatur), but what other "paying sport" actually pays less than pool?

Professional Rodeo riders, Bass fisherman, Arm Wrestlers. I believe professional lacrosse players don't make sh!t. If you do the research there are plenty of sports you don't make anything.
 
How does pool compare to snooker?

How does snooker compare to golf?

How does golf compare to NBA basketball?

How does NBA basketball compare to NFL football?

The "attention to every detail" is directly related to how much money is in the sport. There's very little money in pool, so it can't afford all the nicities that other sports can.

I honestly can't think of another sport with pro-level competition that has less money than pool. Can you? (I guess there are some Olympic sports that don't pay -- and therefore aren't pro-level -- like luge, bobsled, etc. where the sport could never exist without the Olympic imprimatur), but what other "paying sport" actually pays less than pool?

I think the shooting sports are even less of a paying sport than pool. Male and female shooters at the top of their sport can enjoy the prestige of winning an Olympic medal, in some of the shooting disciplines at least, so that is something no pool player can aspire to in this era.

In shooting sports there are few if any national tournaments that offer cash prizes, added money, or even any significant prizes of any sort.

The shooting sports are also divided into very many disciplines - handguns and rifles and shotguns, rimfire and centerfire and black powder, single shot and semi-auto, standing, sitting, kneeling, and prone positions, with or without supports like a sling, one-piece base, or two-piece base - variations seem endless, even before selecting sights and optics and shooting distance.

At best shooters have the support of non-profits like the Civilian Marksmanship Program and USA Shooting (mission:Prepare American athletes to win Olympic and Paralympic medals, promote the shooting sports throughout the U.S., and govern the conduct of international shooting in the country). At lower levels, there are the Scouts, 4H clubs, some ROTC, sometimes with discount ammunition provided by Federal/CCI, plus an occasional college scholarship program.

A young lady I coached in 3-Position Rifle in a county 4H Shooting Sports Program went into her first year of college supported by a $1500 national CMP and $1000 local gun club scholarship, funds paid directly toward her college tuition, which is nothing to sneeze at, but really just a few bucks for one person and not so much money if one is looking at the big picture

It costs upwards of five grand to outfit a rifle or pistol shooter (whether rimfire, centerfire, CO2, or compressed air) with the necessary gear to compete at the national level in just one event. Add another event which requires a different firearm (or change from powder to air power) and the price for the required equipment doubles.

In pool, one can take a cue off the wall and start winning money that same day. Not likely, but it can happen. However, I would never suggest to a young person that pool has a future as far as making money or supporting a family. Maybe a few people have made a living playing pool, but compared to the number of first-rate players in the world there is a very low percentage who are making a good middle-class income, especially after counting their expenses.

I would say the chances of making money in shooting sports is even less than in cue sports. But both sports are great fun, as long as the shooter makes sure to protect their hearing 100% of the time. Both sports can be enjoyed well beyond retirement age, unlike track and field or pro football or pro basketball or pro baseball, all sports which tear up the body and leave the player hurting and stiff at an early age, not to mention the effects of concussions.
 
Pro bass fishing probably pays more than snooker.



Yea, I know it pays very well. To answer the question to the OP, yes I smoke in my room at home and anyone else is welcome to do the same. If on the other hand they don't smoke... They are more than welcome to leave. That's why it's called MY room
 
Yea, I know it pays very well. To answer the question to the OP, yes I smoke in my room at home and anyone else is welcome to do the same. If on the other hand they don't smoke... They are more than welcome to leave. That's why it's called MY room

What does this thread have to do with smoking?
 
Snooker is all class and pool in this country isn't. The Americans wear jeans to play and find that acceptable. If a tournament is streamed, I suggest every participant to wear what the snooker players wear. If you want to play then you should invest in a vest, tie, slacks and some shoes.

If the public sees our players in a group and dressed up then they will want to participate and watch these matches. You have to start somewhere to get their attention.

It's time to look the part of the profession. When you google Ronnie, there is nothing but him in a vest and tie. People are going to be curious what he does for a living. You google some of our pro players and they look like some average Joe at a pool hall.
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Snooker is all class and pool in this country isn't. The Americans wear jeans to play and find that acceptable. If a tournament is streamed, I suggest every participant to wear what the snooker players wear. If you want to play then you should invest in a vest, tie, slacks and some shoes.

If the public sees our players in a group and dressed up then they will want to participate and watch these matches. You have to start somewhere to get their attention.

It's time to look the part of the profession. When you google Ronnie, there is nothing but him in a vest and tie. People are going to be curious what he does for a living. You google some of our pro players and they look like some average Joe at a pool hall.
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Pro bowlers don't ware a tux, neither do golfers. Pool players just need to ware comfortable clothing suitable to play the sport. Of course don't look like a homeless person but that wearing a suits or a tie and vest is not necessary.

Who wants to look like an F'n waiter when you play. That is what snooker players look like, fine for them. I remember playing in Europe and had to go buy some clothes. In fact everyone was dressed basically the same. White shirt, tie, black pants and shoes. It was silly.
 
Pro bowlers don't ware a tux, neither do golfers. Pool players just need to ware comfortable clothing suitable to play the sport. Of course don't look like a homeless person but that wearing a suits or a tie and vest is not necessary.

Who wants to look like an F'n waiter when you play. That is what snooker players look like, fine for them. I remember playing in Europe and had to go buy some clothes. In fact everyone was dressed basically the same. White shirt, tie, black pants and shoes. It was silly.

Lol. What?? :confused:
 
Professional Rodeo riders, Bass fisherman, Arm Wrestlers. I believe professional lacrosse players don't make sh!t. If you do the research there are plenty of sports you don't make anything.

I suspect Kevin VanDamm (sp?) makes more in endorsements (BassProShops, etc) than the entire year's prize fund of major pool tournaments.

You're probably right about lacrosse, although it might fall in the "Olympic imprimatur" category of sports that are played just for the love of it. Of course, one could make a strong case that pool falls in that category too.
 
without having to go quite as far as snooker on dress code, collared shirts and no jeans would go a long way for pool. i agree that the tshirts and jeans thing is a little trashy for a tournament setting.
 
I am all on the side of pool players dressing better for tournaments, but MacGuy has a point. One of my rules for life, a la Jeff Foxworthy, is, "If you are the only person in the room wearing a tuxedo, you may be a waiter." I always laugh when some pool referee shows up in a tuxedo and people remark about how well dressed he is. He's not well dressed. He's out of place.

In addition to the players, I think tournament directors ought to do something about the dress of the spectators, certainly the spectators who are in shot of the camera.
 
I suspect Kevin VanDamm (sp?) makes more in endorsements (BassProShops, etc) than the entire year's prize fund of major pool tournaments.

You're probably right about lacrosse, although it might fall in the "Olympic imprimatur" category of sports that are played just for the love of it. Of course, one could make a strong case that pool falls in that category too.
That is pretty much why pool is completely up against a wall. There is not any real money in the pool industry anyway. A sponsor needs a reason to be a sponsor. In pool there is non, other then a desire to throw away money.

Non pool industry sponsors are non existent. What about pool is there that they would see of value to them? It has nothing to do with the image of pool, in fact the somewhat seedy image of pool may be the only thing it has going for it, period.

If you remember the very popular legends of pool thing on TV years ago was led in with the theme from the movie "The Sting", a movie about "living by their wits" con men. They wanted to attach themselves to that image. Sort of like the outlaw or people living on the outside by their own rules is how they couched the players.

Back to your original example of the pro bass fisherman. Fishing in general is a multi billion dollar business. The sources for sponsorship are huge and their pockets are deep.

What do you have in pool, a cue maker living hand to mouth sponsoring one player with a few bucks and a free cue? You can't get blood from a stone and pool is a giant bloodless rock. Pool I am afraid is by and large, is an amateur sport.
Back to the original poster, I am sorry but there is no money for any thing like that, not even close and that is the problem.
 
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I'm fairly sure even bass fishing pays more

There is more cheating in pro bass fishing. Not sure if the referee dresses and medicates the fishermen prior to the tournament.

This gives me an idea. Naked pool tournaments, pay per view with multiple camera angles.
 
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