Treachery in the IPT qualifier....

[Timberly]

Why are you bringing race and nationality into this debate? Its the difference between apples and oranges It is rumor only and not fact John left the tournament. that is a fact. You dont have proof that anyone did just that Even if they did so what? What does race have to do with it?

Is Kevin Trudeau giving Mike Sigel, who has been in retirement, all this opportunity to make all kinds of money because they are fellow whites? Do you know how stupid your theory sounds?

The Filipinos have given so much to this sport They have shown some of the greatest dignity and sportsmanship. You only malign them. Shame.

Maybe I didn't convey my self clearly. I was basically asking if that was it. It might not be it... I don't know what "IT" is, that's why I asked. Why is it, people are accused of things that are not proven, and named right out here in the forum for all to see, but yet these guys that did this, no one wants to name.

That's it, that's all I want to know.

 

[Timberly]

The Filipinos have given so much to this sport They have shown some of the greatest dignity and sportsmanship. You only malign them. Shame.

There's some damn good American players that have done well for the sport but people here want to call all pool players pieces of sh!t.

I just went back & re-read my post and I see how I came across and I did not verbalize my thoughts correctly. I really just want to know why people are all of the sudden ashamed to name a name. Right now all I know about the players is that they were filipino so that's all I had to go on.

I have nothing against the filipinos whatsoever. I have no wish to malign them but I assure you that there's bad apples in the bunch just like there are with any other nationality.

 

[Southpaw]

Go to another website, read a post that sends you to another website to go through two different tournament brackets to try to find two filipinos players that played each other in the 1st round, just to figure out who the people were.

It's ok for JJinFLA to accuse Mike Davis of sharking when Mike was cleaning his shaft (JJ has never met Mike or seen him play & has no idea how soft spoken & nice Mike is). He had no problem coming on here and naming Mike and calling him out for something that he assumed Mike was doing.

Tommy T or D or whatever, had no problem coming on here and telling the world that Danny Harriman was some low life pond scum hustler because Danny won $50 off of his friend.

Southpaw had no problem screaming to the world that John Scmidt was banned from the Viking Tour because he forfeited a match. TBA had no problem coming on here saying that John Schmidt was going to dump even though he admits that he never heard John say that.

Am I the only one that finds it amazing that people have no problem calling out American players and buring them at the stake (even though the above mentioned guys are very nice, trustworthy guys and there's A LOT worse than these guys in the pool world). But yet no one wants to name names when it comes to the two filipinos that did this.

Honestly, I don't care who did it. The IPT all but begged for this to happen. All this aside, I can't believe that the people here are tip toeing around naming the players that were caught doing this. LOL, simply amazing. Is it just because they're filipino or what??

Can anyone explain to me why people here feel it's ok to name names of good people in trying to hurt their reputation but yet when two filipinos get caught, everyone is hush, hush and doesn't want to utter the names of the offenders. I don't understand why it's ok to name certain players & accuse them of things but it's not ok to name players that were blatantly guilty of doing what they were accused of.

Well, since you feel its ok to call me out....I want to say that everything I have said about any subject that I have responded to on this forum has been FACTS! I havent once alleged anything or said anything that was just hear-say. I really hope that you are not so naive that you cant tell the difference between bashing and informing. I have been around pool and pool players for a very long time and can name plenty of reputable players. And just for the record, there were atleast 30 players that banked the 8 in the IPT qualifier that this thread mentions.

Southpaw

 

[Timberly]

Well, since you feel its ok to call me out....I want to say that everything I have said about any subject that I have responded to on this forum has been FACTS! I havent once alleged anything or said anything that was just hear-say. I really hope that you are not so naive that you cant tell the difference between bashing and informing.

Please don't sit here and try to say that your post about JS & getting banned from the viking tour had anything to do with just being informing. That whole post was written in malice and you couldn't wait to get on here and post about it when you learned what happend. I know the difference between bashing & informing.... you were bashing.

 

[Southpaw]

Please don't sit here and try to say that your post about JS & getting banned from the viking tour had anything to do with just being informing. That whole post was written in malice and you couldn't wait to get on here and post about it when you learned what happend. I know the difference between bashing & informing.... you were bashing.

LOL...ok you cant tell the difference. Was it not facts? Did john and MJ both say that it was all true? Hard to be bashing then if its all true! I never once said anything like "hey dont buy JS in calcuttas from now on..." that would be bashing. If thats the case, the 6 o'clock news bashes alot of people every day.

Southpaw

 

[Timberly]

LOL...ok you cant tell the difference. Was it not facts? Did john and MJ both say that it was all true? Hard to be bashing then if its all true! If thats the case, the 6 o'clock news bashes alot of people every day.

Southpaw

It's all in the presentation. This happend in October and you posted it in Jan and worded it like a kid that just got dirt on his nemesis and couldn't wait to tell everyone on the playground.

It's very possible to bash someone when telling the truth.

 

[Southpaw]

It's all in the presentation. This happend in October and you posted it in Jan and worded it like a kid that just got dirt on his nemesis and couldn't wait to tell everyone on the playground.

It's very possible to bash someone when telling the truth.

Just keep truning your head when bad things happen in this sport....

Southpaw

 

[Timberly]

Just keep truning your head when bad things happen in this sport....

Southpaw

Turning my head? I'm hardly known for turning my head. I don't live some sheltered life where I think the world is one big rose bush. I'm more apt to say that the world is like all the thorns on the rose bush.

 

[Southpaw]

Turning my head? I'm hardly known for turning my head. I don't live some sheltered life where I think the world is one big rose bush. I'm more apt to say that the world is like all the thorns on the rose bush.

Hey, you called my name out in your post. You were the one scrutenizing me for stating facts. Then you try to turn it around like I did something wrong. If John is a friend of yours then Im sorry you had to read about that on here. There are many players that play the sport great and because of that, they should ALL conduct themselves in a professional manner. Especially where others (spectators, friends, etc) are involved. If the problems are not addressed, then they can never be solved. Im finished talking about this subject!

Southpaw

 

[Timberly]

Hey, you called my name out in your post.

That was my whole point. Calling out names of those who have had no problem calling out names of others. How about you or JJ or Tommy or someone else on here, name the name of the treacherous pool players that did this.

Again, I could care less who it was. I just think it's ridiculous that people find it ok to name some names in an attempt to make someone look bad & not others.

 

[Southpaw]

That was my whole point. Calling out names of those who have had no problem calling out names of others. How about you or JJ or Tommy or someone else on here, name the name of the treacherous pool players that did this.

Again, I could care less who it was. I just think it's ridiculous that people find it ok to name some names in an attempt to make someone look bad & not others.

I didnt start this thread...I dont know who did it. I would not post something like this without having all the facts. Thats the difference between bashing and informing.

Southpaw

 

[Timberly]

I didnt start this thread...I dont know who did it. I would not post something like this without having all the facts. Thats the difference between bashing and informing.

Southpaw

Did you talk to JS before you started the other thread?

 

[Southpaw]

Did you talk to JS before you started the other thread?

Nope. dont think MJ would have made it all up. but it was all later confirmed by JS himself.

Southpaw

 

[CantEverWin]

I have never said any names on here and I'm not about to start. I will say this. It was two flips, it was in the first round, and it did happen.

Not sure if anyone knows this or not so here it goes.
I think that one of the problems with the bank the 8 was too much trust. You didn't have to have a ref come and watch or anything. Just the players both sign off on the score card.I thought that KT could have been asking for trouble when he did that, but hold the players acountable. Should the players yell at KT like "You asshole, how dare you act like I have integrity for a tourney I spent $2000 to get into. Shame on you for trusting that I would do it right."

Mike

 

[Timberly]

Nope. dont think MJ would have made it all up. but it was all later confirmed by JS himself.

Southpaw

There's still discrepancies and while I like MJ, I also know that he's lied before. Actually lied about me. EVERYONE has lied.

Without speaking to JS and getting his side, you didn't get all the facts before the you made the post. You made the post in malice without all of the facts. You're not nearly as righteous as you're trying to make yourself out to be.

 

[Southpaw]

There's still discrepancies and while I like MJ, I also know that he's lied before. Actually lied about me. EVERYONE has lied.

Without speaking to JS and getting his side, you didn't get all the facts before the you made the post. You made the post in malice without all of the facts. You're not nearly as righteous as you're trying to make yourself out to be.

Im not the one trying to defend the evil do-ers! I know I am not perfect, but I do not try to deliberatly screw others either! Oh well...the facts speak for themselves .So, if you want to post anything else about this just to get the last word then go ahead....im comfortable enough in knowing my intentions on this matter.

Southpaw

 

[enzo]

lol, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I've witnessed several treacherous incidents from pool players. You must be one, condoning this type of behavior.

you know what you're talking about? isn't this post concerning the ipt qualifier in bellflower? you say you've witnessed bad behavior by pool players, i'm sure you have. but make no mistake about it, you are posting about a situation in bellflower which you have no idea what you are talikng about.

how many players were involved in this 8 ball incident, if any?? you don't know? why did you say "The old saying that one bad apple ruins the lot certainly applies here except there are a lot more bad apples than good ones unfortunately." That insinuates that over half the field is taking advantage of this 8 ball bonus. This statement is absolutely unfounded and I would hope other members of the forum would note this and deem your future statements incredible.

another problem here, looking over your initial post, is that pretty much all your statements are ridiculous and unfounded. hopefully one day you can realize how flawed your thinking is and "self-improve" your communication and thought processing skills. further, maybe other members of the forum can help you. good luck and goodbye!

 

[Timberly]

how many players were involved in this 8 ball incident, if any?? you don't know? why did you say "The old saying that one bad apple ruins the lot certainly applies here except there are a lot more bad apples than good ones unfortunately." That insinuates that over half the field is taking advantage of this 8 ball bonus. This statement is absolutely unfounded and I would hope other members of the forum would note this and deem your future statements incredible.

Nice post enzo. Most of the decent people on this forum alsways consider the source of any post thats made in an attempt to speak badly of someone. Most people will look at someone's track record & when they have a history of making flametory negative posts, most on here take their posts with a grain of salt.

Im not the one trying to defend the evil do-ers! I know I am not perfect, but I do not try to deliberatly screw others either! Oh well...the facts speak for themselves .So, if you want to post anything else about this just to get the last word then go ahead....im comfortable enough in knowing my intentions on this matter.

Southpaw

It's not a matter of the last word, it's a matter of the truth. I don't defend "evil do-ers" and if you think your post, written in malice, after not getting all of the facts isn't eveil doing, then you're mistaken. You did deliberately try to screw JS....had it been TBA or someone else that you're friends with... you never would've made that post.

I'm an honest person. I admit when I make mistakes and I never have to try to remember what lie I told to which person. I find life to be much easier that way. Just like I did earlier, when I realized that I didn't verbalize myself very well and that my post could be mistaken, I apologized and tried to convery my true thoughts. I don't support evil doers, I try to get the facts, from both sides before I make my judgement on something like that & then decide to verbalize it on a public forum.

 

[justnum]

There was a cartoon in the paper it said to buy happiness send $1 to this location. In the next frame it shows the person who placed the ad saying who said anything about them being happy.

McDonalds sponsors the All American college basketball game. Phillip Morris offers advertising on their website that tells them why smoking is bad. And they also offer services to communities for recreation centers. How I know this because I am taking a course in Marketing at my U.

Like every other professions some people are just better than others. This is the same case with health professionals, some know how to prescribe while others know how to treat. If every teacher you had since grade school was somewhat decent would we even be discussing this subject.

Why do we even need the IPT to run a tournament if players wanted to do it themselves we could host a tournament. All we need is money to rent a pool hall some impartial people to hold and distribute the money. And most importantly players to fill in the entry fees.

Its not like KT is doing anything special for the sport. Other than associating his products with the pool market.

Yes private industries take advantage of government legislation because they are able to. Comparing radio advertising to that on the internet you can see why things get regulated. Too bad it takes what seems like a two term election to get the legislation passed and the required votes to pass the bill.

Then again who paid attention long enough to remember whats not going to be on the test. When one can focus on their current problems in the short distance.

 

[Southpaw]

Nice post enzo. Most of the decent people on this forum alsways consider the source of any post thats made in an attempt to speak badly of someone. Most people will look at someone's track record & when they have a history of making flametory negative posts, most on here take their posts with a grain of salt.


It's not a matter of the last word, it's a matter of the truth. I don't defend "evil do-ers" and if you think your post, written in malice, after not getting all of the facts isn't eveil doing, then you're mistaken. You did deliberately try to screw JS....had it been TBA or someone else that you're friends with... you never would've made that post.

I'm an honest person. I admit when I make mistakes and I never have to try to remember what lie I told to which person. I find life to be much easier that way. Just like I did earlier, when I realized that I didn't verbalize myself very well and that my post could be mistaken, I apologized and tried to convery my true thoughts. I don't support evil doers, I try to get the facts, from both sides before I make my judgement on something like that & then decide to verbalize it on a public forum.

Im not having to try to remember anything to see if i lied or not. I know what I posted and I will stand behind every word I typed. It was ALL FACTS!!! Like I said before, Im sorry if JS is a freind of yours and you found this info out on here, but I would have said the same things if it were another "professional" player. If incidents like this were not revealed, then this could happen again and again.....As it turns out, I think the next time someone has the thought to do this they may think twice about it.

Southpaw