Trouble With Tangent

[pair0nineballs]

I've been playing for a while now, and I'm still having lots of trouble finding out where the tangent line goes. I know angle in = angle out, but it takes me a couple minutes just to figure out the angles on 2 rail position, I'm getting to where I want to place the cue ball almost exactly where I want it. Just wondering if someone could maybe give me some pointers on how to start "seeing" this a little easier? I usually know how the tangent line changes with english but with center ball and off multiple rails I need help, I know where the 90 or 30 or more degree angle goes but once again off multiple rails it messes me up. If this seems not to make sense, or be worded wrong..I'm trying to type really fast, dont have time..gotta go

 

[sjm]

I've been playing for a while now, and I'm still having lots of trouble finding out where the tangent line goes. I know angle in = angle out, but it takes me a couple minutes just to figure out the angles on 2 rail position, I'm getting to where I want to place the cue ball almost exactly where I want it. Just wondering if someone could maybe give me some pointers on how to start "seeing" this a little easier? I usually know how the tangent line changes with english but with center ball and off multiple rails I need help, I know where the 90 or 30 or more degree angle goes but once again off multiple rails it messes me up. If this seems not to make sense, or be worded wrong..I'm trying to type really fast, dont have time..gotta go

Sounds to me that you know where the cue ball is going into the first rail, and if that is the case, the matter of where it will go afterwards is more a matter of billiard theory than a matter of judging the tangent line. Multi-rail position is nearly always played with running english, so billiard systems can generally be used. Most multi-rail shape. in terms of rails, is either 1) a short-long-short path, which the plus system (also called plus two in three cushion) covers, or 2) a long-short-long path, which can be easily judged using the "five" system. It's often overlooked that billiard systems aren't just for kicking. Knowledge of billiard theory has great application to both position play and defense in nine ball. Firm up your command of billiard theory and your position play will improve.

 

[pair0nineballs]

Sounds to me that you know where the cue ball is going into the first rail, and if that is the case, the matter of where it will go afterwards is more a matter of billiard theory than a matter of judging the tangent line. Multi-rail position is nearly always played with running english, so billiard systems can generally be used. Most multi-rail shape. in terms of rails, is either 1) a short-long-short path, which the plus system (also called plus two in three cushion) covers, or 2) a long-short-long path, which can be easily judged using the "five" system. It's often overlooked that billiard systems aren't just for kicking. Knowledge of billiard theory has great application to both position play and defense in nine ball. Firm up your command of billiard theory and your position play will improve.

Where can I learn about these systems that you mentioned in your post? I understand what you mean about running english, but is it not harder to judge the angles of right and left english rather than finding out the tangent line around the rails first, then figuring out the right and left english? Thanks for the help by the way.

 

[sjm]

I understand what you mean about running english, but is it not harder to judge the angles of right and left english rather than finding out the tangent line around the rails first, then figuring out the right and left english?

No, it would actually be more difficult your way, and when you experiment with these systems, you'll understand why. A superb website that covers both systems is http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/kick3.htm. Note that the five system is referred to as the basic diamond system on that site. Read through this site and if you don't understand it, let me know and I'll offer further assistance. Good luck.

 

[pair0nineballs]

No, it would actually be more difficult your way, and when you experiment with these systems, you'll understand why. A superb website that covers both systems is http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/kick3.htm. Note that the five system is referred to as the basic diamond system on that site. Read through this site and if you don't understand it, let me know and I'll offer further assistance. Good luck.

Having a hard time with it

 

[sjm]

Having a hard time with it

I just sent you a private message.

 

[kyle]

First find your object ball(OB) number they are the black numbers. The one ball is at 20 [subtract 10 because it's about a diamond width from the third rail (marked A)] OB#= 10
Hold your cue stick over the rail and point at the first rail (top in this case) and find the angle in which the ob# (10 )added to the !st rail # equals the QB# (red #S). So the first rail # is 30, continue your line (yellow) through the QB and you have your QB# 40 . 10+30=40 (OB#+1rail=QB#) also use running english (left in picture) and make your calculations from the edge of the rail (don't look at the diamonds when aiming but the edge of cusion)
2 rails it's QB#-OB#=the 1rail (and the distance from rail(A) on OB# is added rather than subtracted) so the one ball would become 30. So your equasion is more like 45 (QB#) - 30 (OB#) = 15 (your first rail number)
think I got it all.