Two unrelated one pocket questions

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1. Cue ball is frozen to an object ball. Shooter claims they shot in the direction of the object ball but agrees the object ball did not move or show any signs of contact. No other ball is contacted by the cue ball. Foul?

2. Breaker makes a single ball in opponent's pocket. Is that commonly a re-rack, or only when a ball is pocketed in breaker's pocket?

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PoolPlayer4 said:
1. Cue ball is frozen to an object ball. Shooter claims they shot in the direction of the object ball but agrees the object ball did not move or show any signs of contact. No other ball is contacted by the cue ball. Foul?
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Their claim of shooting toward it does nothing to negate the fact that the object ball was unmoved. They likely did not shoot towards it, or it would have. You can only shoot away from a frozen ball in snooker, I believe. Ask yourself if it's really worth arguing over?
2. Breaker makes a single ball in opponent's pocket. Is that commonly a re-rack, or only when a ball is pocketed in breaker's pocket?
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Old way is keep shooting. Most tournaments and high profile matches are re-rack these days.
At onepocket.org the difference is stated as "traditional" and "modern".

Official One Pocket Rules

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2.3.1: Traditional One Pocket: Regardless of who racks, when a ball is pocketed in the breaker’s pocket without a scratch or foul occurring, it is counted and their inning continues as with any legally scored ball.

2.3.2 Modern re-rack option: When playing “rack your own”, players may agree, or a tournament director may stipulate, that in the event the breaker scores a ball in their own pocket on the break, the breaker is to re-rack and break again, rather than scoring the ball and continuing their inning.
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Sheldon said:
Their claim of shooting toward it does nothing to negate the fact that the object ball was unmoved. They likely did not shoot towards it, or it would have. You can only shoot away from a frozen ball in snooker, I believe. Ask yourself if it's really worth arguing over?

Old way is keep shooting. Most tournaments and high profile matches are re-rack these days.
At onepocket.org the difference is stated as "traditional" and "modern".

Official One Pocket Rules

www.onepocket.org www.onepocket.org
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The op asked if a ball is pocketed in OPPONENT’S POCKET
I have seen the rule posted at some tournaments
“ ball on break…re-rack”
no stipulation on ball made for breaker or opponent
for the record
i am in favor of
if opponent racks for you and you make a ball in your pocket
keep shooting
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If you make a ball and scratch
it should be a foul
spot the ball/you owe 1/opponent gets ball in hand in the kitchen
i was unsuccessful lobbying for this rule
 
1. If the ball doesn’t at least wiggle in its spot, it’s a foul. Something has to be contacted and then a rail.

2. We ”normally” play….

rack your own
ball in your pocket is re-rack
ball in opponents pocket is not a re-rack unless you also make a ball in your pocket
make a ball in your pocket and scratch is also a re-rack
make a ball in opponents pocket and scratch, ball comes up and you owe one to start the game… bih in kitchen for your opponent.

all of the above is negotiable depending on how the game/bet is structured.
 
bbb said:
The op asked if a ball is pocketed in OPPONENT’S POCKET
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Ah, my eye missed that part, I wouldn't think anyone would wonder what to do in that case. (tough luck, you're spotting them one :LOL:)
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If you make a ball and scratch
it should be a foul
spot the ball/you owe 1/opponent gets ball in hand in the kitchen
i was unsuccessful lobbying for this rule
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Yes, there was quite a bit of back and forth on that.
 
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PoolPlayer4 said:
1. Cue ball is frozen to an object ball. Shooter claims they shot in the direction of the object ball but agrees the object ball did not move or show any signs of contact. No other ball is contacted by the cue ball. Foul? ....
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That would be similar to ... cue ball is two inches away from the object ball. Player shoots for a very, very thin hit for a safety. Ball doesn't move so far as anyone could see.

The having been frozen part is irrelevant in your scenario.
 
Loose rack contributes to ball in opponents pocket in the break. I have seen a ball made in both on the break.
 
InsertCleverNameHere said:
I guess I could see this happening but just never have. Would take a pretty bad hit though. The comment about loose rack being a factor I mean exactly how loose are people racking out there lol
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Lol I've done it although it's more common to scratch off the back delta ball. It's probably a function of a funny rack or a deliberate booby trap to sabotage the Ronnie Allen break.
 
bbb said:
what is the "ronnie allen break?"
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You start about an inch off the rail at the headstring. You then aim center ball directly through the middle ball in the back row. Back hand some inside english and pull the trigger.
This grazes the head and second ball perfctly and ideally the cueball sails down and kisses the corner ball your way and then goes two more rails to just below the side pocket. Balls are all open in your wedge of the table, leaving runouts should you make a ball.
 
straightline said:
You start about an inch off the rail at the headstring. You then aim center ball directly through the middle ball in the back row. Back hand some inside english and pull the trigger.
This grazes the head and second ball perfctly and ideally the cueball sails down and kisses the corner ball your way and then goes two more rails to just below the side pocket. Balls are all open in your wedge of the table, leaving runouts should you make a ball.
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i found that the cue ball needs to be off the rail alittle more for that to work
 
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