UK “women’s” final

[skogstokig]

The lunacy has to stop somewhere. I'd also bet that $$$$-loss figured in big time. I heard that a lot of UP league/tourn. types were putting major heat on UP hq. They were gonna lose their ass if they didn't come to their senses.

i think they would have broken the law if they disallowed the trans guy before. the supreme court ruling is what changed things

 

[Icon of Sin]

The lunacy has to stop somewhere. I'd also bet that $$$$-loss figured in big time. I heard that a lot of UP league/tourn. types were putting major heat on UP hq. They were gonna lose their ass if they didn't come to their senses.

Speaking of leagues... Does APA skill level use gender at as one of it's determining factors when adjusting? I know it does for new players, but not sure if it does when adjusting your rating as well.

 

[garczar]

Speaking of leagues... Does APA skill level use gender at as one of it's determining factors when adjusting? I know it does for new players, but not sure if it does when adjusting your rating as well.

Luckily/thankfully i haven't played league pool in 20yrs. so i wouldn't have a clue as to what APA does. Just based on some of the APA f#*kery i've read about on here nothing they do would surprise me.

 

[heater451]

Speaking of leagues... Does APA skill level use gender at as one of it's determining factors when adjusting? I know it does for new players, but not sure if it does when adjusting your rating as well.

I don't believe there is any "adjusting" based on gender once in the system. However, when I started in APA--I think in 2000--women started as Skill Level 3, and men SL 4. But that changed some point in the last 20 years, and now everyone starts as a 3.

Also, I recall this being for 8 ball specifically, but assume it was the same for 9. I do know that it is 3-3 for both now (assuming no established level, if going from one to the other).

 

[The_JV]

Speaking of leagues... Does APA skill level use gender at as one of it's determining factors when adjusting? I know it does for new players, but not sure if it does when adjusting your rating as well.

Not that I've witnessed. However you have to understand that the business model (equalizer) revolves around players becoming overrated, exceeding team overall handicap, and then requiring to form new teams to continue to play. I would imagine that they would purposely ignore factors that flew in the face of business growth.

All that said, there are a few local ladies that take pool rather intensely. None of them have ever exceeded a SL6. They currently hover at SL5

 

[The_JV]

I wish I was educated enough about biology to have a credible stance in this debate. If I were to hazard a guess. In terms of 'non-athletic sport", (pool, darts, chess, etc). I believe this simply boils down to men generally having a much higher desire to assert dominance. I know every man would agree with me that we are hardwired to compete and establish ourselves among the best of whatever activity is placed before us. If we find that we can't dominant. We either move on, or make excuses. Accolades comes with success, and every guy wants to do the head cheerleader. With that established, the effort and focus men need by default in physical competition against peers is in orders of magnitude of greater importance to them, then it is for women.

I underlined 'physical competition' because intellectual dominance doesn't get you the cheerleader. Possibly the trophy wife decade or two later.

Not saying women can't be success driven. Out of the box, they're just not wired that way, and for men (boys) it's what drives us.

 

[Leigh]

You're still obviously assuming that the world in which we live hasn't been molded by the men AND the women that live in it. If only we could fix society, then magically women would play pool in equal numbers to men. This seems to be your point of view. I think it's almost exactly the opposite. Women don't find pool as interesting as men do because -- wait for it -- they are women! When you boil it all down, it's a bizarrely trivial pursuit to bang balls into each other for hours on end. To be great, you have to have a personality that is extremely single minded, bordering on autisticly obsessive. Men are much more hardwired for such mundane tasks. They have this luxury as they haven't been hardwired over hundreds of thousands of years to constantly be weary of men and even focused on the protection of their young. I imagine that the act of spreading out on a pool table in front of a room full of people illicits more anxiety out of women than men. There's just only so much we can do to make the game comfortable for women to play it.

Men and women are different.
These differences should be celebrated not discounted.
Women's places should be protected.
Women's accomplishments need not be compared to men.

FYI - I am this woman. COMPLETELY obsessed with pool. I play for hours. I bought a table. I run drills most work nights for two hours and longer on the weekends. I love the sound. I love the way it feels. I have zero anxiety about pool. I am perfectly happy playing by myself or playing games with others for hours at the pool hall. My family does not share my obsession, but they are exceptionally tolerant of my nonsense.
It is a shame I have to work...

 

[ShootingArts]

I wish I was educated enough about biology to have a credible stance in this debate. If I were to hazard a guess. In terms of 'non-athletic sport", (pool, darts, chess, etc). I believe this simply boils down to men generally having a much higher desire to assert dominance. I know every man would agree with me that we are hardwired to compete and establish ourselves among the best of whatever activity is placed before us. If we find that we can't dominant. We either move on, or make excuses. Accolades comes with success, and every guy wants to do the head cheerleader. With that established, the effort and focus men need by default in physical competition against peers is in orders of magnitude of greater importance to them, then it is for women.

I underlined 'physical competition' because intellectual dominance doesn't get you the cheerleader. Possibly the trophy wife decade or two later.

Not saying women can't be success driven. Out of the box, they're just not wired that way, and for men (boys) it's what drives us.

It is somewhat of a selection process. I have known quite a few pool hall owners or owners of other venues that people can play or compete in. They count the number of unique customers and figure about eighty or ninety percent will want to compete. In reality it is usually less than twenty percent. Most don't like the stress. Those of us that like to compete are wired a bit differently but in reality I would say only roughly one in five males or a bit less, and yes fewer females. While some ladies love to compete, as a general statement they have been geared towards working together in groups for far longer than men. This dates back to prehistory I believe. The differences were almost necessary for our survival as a species. Much of what makes us who we are dates back that far.

FYI - I am this woman. COMPLETELY obsessed with pool. I play for hours. I bought a table. I run drills most work nights for two hours and longer on the weekends. I love the sound. I love the way it feels. I have zero anxiety about pool. I am perfectly happy playing by myself or playing games with others for hours at the pool hall. My family does not share my obsession, but they are exceptionally tolerant of my nonsense.
It is a shame I have to work...

Hopefully you find a partner that shares your love of pool. Wish I had found somebody like you fifty years or so ago. My fascination with rolling pool balls around started as a child and never dimmed.

Find a good man that can support your pool habit. Find one that is loving and kind to you. Find one that loves the same other things you do. Find a way to keep them from meeting each other!

Hu

 

[Leigh]

It is somewhat of a selection process. I have known quite a few pool hall owners or owners of other venues that people can play or compete in. They count the number of unique customers and figure about eighty or ninety percent will want to compete. In reality it is usually less than twenty percent. Most don't like the stress. Those of us that like to compete are wired a bit differently but in reality I would say only roughly one in five males or a bit less, and yes fewer females. While some ladies love to compete, as a general statement they have been geared towards working together in groups for far longer than men. This dates back to prehistory I believe. The differences were almost necessary for our survival as a species. Much of what makes us who we are dates back that far.





Hopefully you find a partner that shares your love of pool. Wish I had found somebody like you fifty years or so ago. My fascination with rolling pool balls around started as a child and never dimmed.

Find a good man that can support your pool habit. Find one that is loving and kind to you. Find one that loves the same other things you do. Find a way to keep them from meeting each other!

Hu

I got one. He plays, but I need to talk him into it sometimes. But he’s extremely supportive of me playing. Even got me a table for our 20th wedding anniversary… Best present ever and I’m not someone that even likes to celebrate anniversaries. I usually just forget about them.

 

[straightline]

FYI - I am this woman. COMPLETELY obsessed with pool. I play for hours. I bought a table. I run drills most work nights for two hours and longer on the weekends. I love the sound. I love the way it feels. I have zero anxiety about pool. I am perfectly happy playing by myself or playing games with others for hours at the pool hall. My family does not share my obsession, but they are exceptionally tolerant of my nonsense.
It is a shame I have to work...

So, 1) credible and viable player scaling and 2) non gender competitive format.

And congrats on the fever. Hope it works out.

 

[ShootingArts]

I got one. He plays, but I need to talk him into it sometimes. But he’s extremely supportive of me playing. Even got me a table for our 20th wedding anniversary… Best present ever and I’m not someone that even likes to celebrate anniversaries. I usually just forget about them.

Sounds like you have a keeper! I married fairly late and basically quit playing for twenty years. My wife thought she would have supported me but she didn't realize it was a seven night a week thing. I didn't see my version of pool fitting in with family life although I played a lot of married men.

Hu

 

[The_JV]

This dates back to prehistory I believe. The differences were almost necessary for our survival as a species. Much of what makes us who we are dates back that far.

100% This is the very harsh reality some refuse to acknowledge.

The gender roles are coded into our genetic make up. We can think whatever we want, but 1000's of years worth of evolution and necessity can't be and shouldn't be ignored.

 

[hang-the-9]

Someone made a joke about the Boston Marathon that 3 different divisions, Men, Women and non-binary. A dude can win all 3 LOL