Unchalked VS Brand New
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asiasdad said:
Not to me....once it's been chalked, it's been chalked....period. Unchalked = brand new.
However, if an unchalked cue has changed hands a few times or been to a few shows, it's possible it might have some finish scratches or a ding or other some other very minor issue, which should be disclosed to a potential buyer. But I would still consider the cue to be unchalked....just my thoughts.
Always better to offer full disclosure on a cue, and as a general rule we always try to undergrade so the only surprises are pleasant ones.
asiasdad
Banned
unchalked = new??
was the statement "But I would still consider the cue to be unchalked" a typo meaning "I would consider the cue to be new"? Of course an unchalked cue is an unchalked cue, yet is it new after exchanging hands "a few times"? Then it raises the question of what is "a few times" ?
Being in the car business we can trade amongst dealers a lot of times (rarely happens) as long as we do not RDR the car (RDR = retail delivery report) with the factory. Cues do not have this, which brings my question of how many times is "a few"?
You have a good reputation, and I would value your thoughts on this. My understanding of "a few" would be it being a used cue, and "twice" still retaining its' "new" image. The 3d guy to have it is selling a used cue to the 4th guy. JMO. Danny
cueaddicts said:Not to me....once it's been chalked, it's been chalked....period. Unchalked = brand new.
However, if an unchalked cue has changed hands a few times or been to a few shows, it's possible it might have some finish scratches or a ding or other some other very minor issue, which should be disclosed to a potential buyer. But I would still consider the cue to be unchalked....just my thoughts.
Always better to offer full disclosure on a cue, and as a general rule we always try to undergrade so the only surprises are pleasant ones.
was the statement "But I would still consider the cue to be unchalked" a typo meaning "I would consider the cue to be new"? Of course an unchalked cue is an unchalked cue, yet is it new after exchanging hands "a few times"? Then it raises the question of what is "a few times" ?
Being in the car business we can trade amongst dealers a lot of times (rarely happens) as long as we do not RDR the car (RDR = retail delivery report) with the factory. Cues do not have this, which brings my question of how many times is "a few"?
You have a good reputation, and I would value your thoughts on this. My understanding of "a few" would be it being a used cue, and "twice" still retaining its' "new" image. The 3d guy to have it is selling a used cue to the 4th guy. JMO. Danny
asiasdad said:
Yes, typo....meant that to be "new".
asiasdad said:
Yeah, Danny, I don't know much about the car business....new cars exchanging hands between dealers. Didn't realize that happened much. I would think 2-3 times for a new/unchalked cue to change hands would be OK and it certainly happens sometimes with cues, but I would personally be more worried about the condition instead of how many times it's changed hands. On used stuff, I guess like with cars, it's usually pretty easy to tell when something been wrecked/reworked/just ain't right.....that is, if you know what to look for.
If something's been refinished or rewrapped I personally would like to know about it before buying, and if it's say a wrap that i know a maker doesn't normally use, I'll be sure to ask. However, I am sure things have happened before when someone may have bought a refinished cue (maybe with new shafts made) thinking it was new (or worse....maybe was told it was new), and then when it changed hands again, the new buyer got stuck with it, finding out in fact it had been reworked. I hate to hear stories like that. That's the trouble sometimes with cues....there's some risk of buying from people that might not be 100% trustworthy or someone who was simply uninformed or underinformed. That's why we try to disclose everything that we know about a cue, and we expect the same courtesy when acquiring something.
asiasdad
Banned
I would think 2-3 times for a new/unchalked cue to change hands would be OK and it certainly happens sometimes with cues, but I would personally be more worried about the condition instead of how many times it's changed hands.
Thank you for this, it's good to know we are on the same page of common sense
On used stuff, I guess like with cars, it's usually pretty easy to tell when something been wrecked/reworked/just ain't right.....that is, if you know what to look for.
If something's been refinished or rewrapped I personally would like to know about it before buying, and if it's say a wrap that i know a maker doesn't normally use, I'll be sure to ask. However, I am sure things have happened before when someone may have bought a refinished cue (maybe with new shafts made) thinking it was new (or worse....maybe was told it was new), and then when it changed hands again, the new buyer got stuck with it, finding out in fact it had been reworked. I hate to hear stories like that. That's the trouble sometimes with cues....there's some risk of buying from people that might not be 100% trustworthy or someone who was simply uninformed or underinformed. That's why we try to disclose everything that we know about a cue, and we expect the same courtesy when acquiring something.[/QUOTE]
I believe full disclosure regarding condition is the only way as well.
Thanks again.
Danny
Thank you for this, it's good to know we are on the same page of common sense
On used stuff, I guess like with cars, it's usually pretty easy to tell when something been wrecked/reworked/just ain't right.....that is, if you know what to look for.
If something's been refinished or rewrapped I personally would like to know about it before buying, and if it's say a wrap that i know a maker doesn't normally use, I'll be sure to ask. However, I am sure things have happened before when someone may have bought a refinished cue (maybe with new shafts made) thinking it was new (or worse....maybe was told it was new), and then when it changed hands again, the new buyer got stuck with it, finding out in fact it had been reworked. I hate to hear stories like that. That's the trouble sometimes with cues....there's some risk of buying from people that might not be 100% trustworthy or someone who was simply uninformed or underinformed. That's why we try to disclose everything that we know about a cue, and we expect the same courtesy when acquiring something.[/QUOTE]
I believe full disclosure regarding condition is the only way as well.
Thanks again.
Danny
cueaddicts said:Always better to offer full disclosure on a cue, and as a general rule we always try to undergrade so the only surprises are pleasant ones.
This is the biggest part...full disclosure. Then, the customer makes a choice based on everything being on the table. You could also advertise a cue as "unchalked, in new condition", meaning (in my mind) that while the cue had exchanged hands a couple of times, it is still in pristine condition.
Joe
Am I the only person to buy a brand new cue from the cue maker with chalk on the tip. I know the cue was new because I sent the design and the wood combinations. I thought that most of the upper end cue makers test hit their cues to check for hit and unwanted noises. Just curious.
Denny
Denny
When I see the word "unchalked" to me it means brand-new in pristine condition, though not necessarily "un-hit" as I would think any decent cuemaker would test-hit a couple of balls (without chalking the cue) to check for obvious flaws like vibration.
As a buyer, if I received a cue advertised as "unchalked" and it looked used to me or overly-handled (for whatever reason) I wouldn't be happy.
As a buyer, if I received a cue advertised as "unchalked" and it looked used to me or overly-handled (for whatever reason) I wouldn't be happy.