Underappreciated Cue Makers Section
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I’m not sure what your point is. I’ve been in this website a very long time and I don’t recall ever seeing a thread about unappreciated cue makers as the theme. So I’ll let all the readers of this thread chime in with their 2 cents but I have to
challenge you on that point. You say specific forums for this type topic never work and I don’t know if they do or don’t never having seen a forum on Az for that specific category.
Maybe I missed it down thru the years and someone can refresh my memory since I am getting old. But I’ll willingly concede you did make a good point that there’s the main forum which is sufficient to keep it interesting. If you go back and read the opening post for this thread, I acknowledged there wasn’t any forum for this topic which is how come I created it.
Now having explained, or basically equivalently restated what you posted, I’d just like to point out I started this thread in the Main Forum just to keep this topic available for all to read or post their comments on. I never suggested nor did I propose a specific new forum for unappreciated cue makers. I further went on to explain it’s the very reason for this thread that seems to have aroused some interest. So what then was the intention of your post? No one, and I certainly haven’t, proposed a new forum. Oh well, post whatever you like but maybe next time put a little more forethought into what you write and then reread it before posting because, IMO, it would help understanding what you’re referring to?
FishKife ~ you are correct about the joint not showing wood surrounding the pin.
Mine showed all stainless joint collar. U thought that strange as I had seen a few Schon's before and they all showed wood in there.
I've read here that some didn't like the hit and some praised it highly.
Personal preference I reckon.
Good luck with you sale IF you decide to sell.
Mine showed all stainless joint collar. U thought that strange as I had seen a few Schon's before and they all showed wood in there.
I've read here that some didn't like the hit and some praised it highly.
Personal preference I reckon.
Good luck with you sale IF you decide to sell.
It's not my cue and never suggested it was a Runde. Also, fully aware Runde was long gone by the early 90s...the cue he pictured just has the same joint as the worst playing Schön cues I ever owned...lol.
The Runde Schön cues are hands down the best players, but I'm also aware a few people love the Evan Clark cues and get super butt hurt if you call it "The Acme Joint". Segan cues brought us the piloted radial joint...another innovation no one wanted or needed.
Schön are a dime a dozen in my area...nothing special and hardly under appreciated. They are mass produced cues...
Danny Tibbitts.
Danny isn’t recognized for his exquisite cue making as he deserves because he only produces a small handful of cues.
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I just purchased an Owen cue. One cue maker's cue I haven't tried and can't wait to get it and try it out later this week.
I don't either man I could have made that one up.
Does it really matter if underappreciated, cumikers have been discussed on AZ billiards or not.
How about overappreciated? Have we talked about them?
Asuuming the cue either has specs you liked, or better yet Bob built it for you, you will be startled at first impression.
Now a steel joint will hit firmer and I have no experience with his piloted steel joints. But his flat faced joints are really so subtilely different you can’t really describe it. So hit two racks with Bob’s cue and then one rack with your old cue and then one rack with Bob’s cue. That’s four racks……60 balls……shouldn’t take you too long.
Your start with 2 racks using your new Owen cue because you have never hit with it. You play only 1 rack with your
old cue, assuming you still had it which you might not, since you have many hours of play. Then you switch back to the Owen cue for 1 more rack. This will give you a good sense of the difference in the tactile feel of your cue. If I knew more about your cue’s specs, it be easier to anticipate what you’re going to enjoy. So now you know the feel of your cue.
Next set up a series of 5 simple drills……do the drills 5 times each……..25 drills………pocket the shot more than 3 times in a row for a drill and count how many attempts it takes. Don’t bother with banks shots……..tough long cut shots, long frozen rail shots, spot shots, tough angle middle of the table reverse cut shot and long straight shot at least 5-6 feet away and keep score using your cue and your new Owen cue. Now you get to assess playability and look at the results.
If you are a high 500 or 600 Fargo player, the difference may be slight. If your’re a low to mid 400 rating, the difference could be significant. If you’re in the middle of those two, you’ll play so much better and only your ambition will limit you from improving a lot. My Owen cue shafts are different than all my other cues and only Jerry Rauenzahn built his very similarly. I believe it’s why the hit is distinguishable and different. I knew it instantly when I tried my first cue and 2 weeks later ordered another gorgeous custom cue just before the CA ivory ban took effect.
Bob laughed after I sent him this drawing back in 2013. We had discussed the design in in a couple of telephone conversations but when he got my cover letter, an enclosed CD of a stain and some propellor designs, and the attached drawings, he thought “what have I gotten myself into?” We turned out to be great pals and we wager on the Yankees vs. Royals series occasionally. He still owes me a signed $10 bill from our last bet. The money never seems to swap hands and it’s just the fun of kibitzing each other since we’re both big fans. I was so pleased with the first cue despite screwing up the design in 2 simple ways. But it didn’t matter because I ordered a nicer custom design using fancy peacocks within 2 weeks of getting my first cue from Bob. He became my lifetime pal and gosh, I steered so many folks his way which was easy to do. All I did was let other players try my cues and that sealed it.
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Yeah….I am up for that……we could start with the seemingly mass adoration of Dennis Searing.
I agree it doesnt get any better than BlackCreek cues. I have had one of his cues from around 2010 and i have played a lot with it. I have never experience a clearcoat like his and i have owned about 51 cues. It looks crystal clear and i have hit the butt against doors and chairs and it hasnt had one dent in it in 16 years. Hell i dont even see a scratch. His shafts are super smooth also.
It's definitely a shame he (Travis) isn't still building.
While we're on the subject of underated Cue-Makers, I'll add our very own John Chaplin (Coos Cues) to the list. Not only is John making some very nice cues, he is an honest broker as well.
Yeah it is...He definitely has some skills.
Thanks for the input and I follow it as soon as I get the cue!