Unknown Cue....anyone help identify ???

[cueaddicts]

For those with some insights, what are your thoughts?

Specs....the cue is 57" when assembled, has the old style (weave) black linen phenolic at the joint collars, 5/16-18 pin (piloted) and well machined SS joint, brass insert protrudes, but not much and it's small....fits snugly into the pilot hole.

To me, everything about the cue points to the mid-to-late 70's with excellent craftsmanship, but the answer has eluded me. It has a six-window arrangement in the butt. Appears to be epoxy and lacquer finish.

Cue plays real solid....no rattles.

Thanks...Sean

 

[bogey54311]

black?

he used that joint early, and ive seen butt designs like that from him.

57" makes sense, and the butt looks like one also.

ive been wrong before.......ask my wife.


chris G

 

[cueman]

If you had said late 1980's I would guess Ed Fleming. He always put a coat of epoxy on the cue then sprayed canned laquer over it. He never built any points to speak of. He had a lot of rough edges like the barely rounded pin. If it ever came from the Atlanta area that would be my guess.

 

[CaptainHook]

Rocky Tillis,. That is my best guess.

 

[nick serdula]

Jensen

Looks like Mike Johnsons old tapper on the shaft and the joint is his old joint. I am not sure about the weight bolt though. Back then I never thought to look!
One other thing if it hits like a Szam and plays great it is a Jensen!
Nick

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Cheese, I'm Gonna Disagree With Ya Here. There Are Too Many Things That Say It Isn't A Blck.

I Like Hooks Guess Of Tillis, It May Be One Of His.

Nick, Not To Be A Jerk But How Can You Tell What Kind Of Taper A Cue Has From Half Fuzzy Pics? It May Be A Jensen Like You Said, But I Don't Understand The Taper Thing From A Picture.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Viking? Huebler?

 

[8-ball Rat]

I'm gonna go with Jensen. I had one similar to it awhile back....and when I contacted Mike Johnson about it, he said he made several variations of that cue. Some with piloted thin pins, some flat faced thins, ect., etc.

Aside from the fact mine had a couple veneers in the windows, they look quite a bit alike.

The time frame works out, too.

All that said, I'm probably WAY off.

 

[nick serdula]

Easy

Cheese, I'm Gonna Disagree With Ya Here. There Are Too Many Things That Say It Isn't A Blck.

I Like Hooks Guess Of Tillis, It May Be One Of His.

Nick, Not To Be A Jerk But How Can You Tell What Kind Of Taper A Cue Has From Half Fuzzy Pics? It May Be A Jensen Like You Said, But I Don't Understand The Taper Thing From A Picture.

Good question! If you look at the ferrel and notice a very short straight tapper then gets fat fast. Much like a old snooker cue verey unusual at least to me. And Marcus you are as far from a jerk as humanly possable. You are great!
The hit will say more than anything if it is a Jensen! But he had a tapper like that on his old stuff and the work is clean and the pin is right.
Talk to you later Marcus
Your buddy
Nick

 

[merylane]

For those with some insights, what are your thoughts?

Specs....the cue is 57" when assembled, has the old style (weave) black linen phenolic at the joint collars, 5/16-18 pin (piloted) and well machined SS joint, brass insert protrudes, but not much and it's small....fits snugly into the pilot hole.

To me, everything about the cue points to the mid-to-late 70's with excellent craftsmanship, but the answer has eluded me. It has a six-window arrangement in the butt. Appears to be epoxy and lacquer finish.

Cue plays real solid....no rattles.

Thanks...Sean

craig .

 

[issycue]

Huebler came to mind when I first looked at it...but it more than likely would've been flatfaced with plastic insert... I think maybe an early Meucci. Maybe, an early Tad as well.

 

[jayman]

I happen to know what it is, It is an adams, model MA-5

 

[classiccues]

I happen to know what it is, It is an adams, model AM-5

Ha!!!!!

You can tell them where you heard it first!!!!...

JV (---but it ain't a HornyBushka!!!!

 

[manwon]

craig .

I think that you should check page 240 of the new Blue Book of cues and look at Frank Coster custom cues.

I have seen one of his level 2 cues first hand, and this cue has allot similarities!!!

My best guess would be a Helmstetter or a Coster, but I must say that I am leaning to-wards a Coster.

Manwon

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

I'm Local To Where Frank Was From And Have Seen Alot Of His Cues First Hand. I Can Say With A Very High Level Of Certainty That It Is Not A Coster. Way To Many Things Are Not Coster-like.

 

[nick serdula]

Common design

Uncommon tapper. Adams had a longer pro type tapper but if you say Adams it is the first Adams I have ever seen with such a tapper. And most of the 18 pin Adams cues were brass by the time the cues went to steel weren't they 14 pins? Also my old Helmstetter's butt plate is still white and has not yellowed any!
Nick

 

[cueaddicts]

Nick, I agree.....the taper aside, there are other things that have been throwing me, too. The butt cap is the same old transluscent yellow plastic stuff that Palmer sometimes used and Paradise, as well. The joint looks too well-machined and the pin not right for any of the old Adams I've seen, and I've had them back to the first catalog in 1970. That's not to say they didn't do something different. The offset ringwork in the butt is throwing me, too. It appears to be made out of linen, definitely a man-made material and not ebony.

Coster it is not (although I wish it was)......

 

[jayman]

Oh' yee of little faith.

craig .

That is a normal adams shaft, I have 18 or 20 just like it. the stainless 5/16x18 pin is correct for this cue, oh and heres the original sales brochure.
Most adams cues have no markings on them at all.

 

[classiccues]

That is a normal adams shaft, I have 18 or 20 just like it. the stainless 5/16x18 pin is correct for this cue, oh and heres the original sales brochure.
Most adams cues have no markings on them at all.

Jay thanks for sharing the catalog...

I think it's pretty certain...

JV

 

[cuenut]

Who woulda thunk!!! I was going to say Jensen. Sean, hope you didn't sink much into this one buddy! Probably hits pretty good.