would this apply to all tourneys in town ? BigDogs (multiple),Styx (both),
Gerris,Susie Q's, Donnas,etc.. I could see some players playing the small tourneys dumping to lower their handicap right before a big tourney.
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would this apply to all tourneys in town ? BigDogs (multiple),Styx (both),
Gerris,Susie Q's, Donnas,etc.. I could see some players playing the small tourneys dumping to lower their handicap right before a big tourney.
The more tournaments people play the less their handicap would be affected by dumping. initially this may be a problem, but over time it wouldn't. In a double elimination tournament you can only dump two matches, compare that to the number of matches it would take to win a big tournament. It just doesn't seem worth it.
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Jason G
Btw Welcome.
Jason G
I'd rather have no handicaps. If the last big tournament had just been a race to 6, all of my matches would have finished the same way. Handicapping just gives people another reason to not work on improving their game.
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I agree with you in one sense. However handicaps also make it possible for lower skills to compete WHILE improving their games. Otherwise I should never play until I reach pro speed, right?
As for incentive to improve, that's individual motivation, and IMO probably determined less by handicap than you think.
Bottom line is that regardless of handicap or none, the usual suspects will play. The silent majority wont show up without some semblance of equitable play. If you want a lot of players to come, from DM, you need some way to balance skills. Otherwise, I think most wont bother.
League handicaps, regardless of what you think of them, are intended to 'even' up the teams where possible. Flaws? Yes, but the intent was sound. Otherwise you get 4 teams, not 16.
Either way, I just want to play. Hcap or not. Rack 'em.
ME
Step #1 is reaching out to the people who run those tournaments and getting them to supply the stats. If you've ever tried to follow who won the local tournaments on dsmpoolplayers.com its really hard. Submission of who won the tournaments is sketchy. About the only really reliable one is the Sunday night 9 ball tournament.
A lot of good points being made!
There are lots of things to watch online today. Scott Frost Vs. Cliff Joyner playing one pocket on ontherailtv and at poolactiontv they have a good tourney going.
There are lots of things to watch online today. Scott Frost Vs. Cliff Joyner playing one pocket on ontherailtv and at poolactiontv they have a good tourney going.
We had a cheap entry, big added money, handicapped tournament. How many of the league players showed up? Few. There could have been fifty extra APA 5s and 6s from Des Moines playing as C players in that tournament. They might have had a chance too.
If those players wont come for that event, why make tournaments that give them a chance to win at all.
If those players wont come for that event, why make tournaments that give them a chance to win at all.
I don't think they knew about the event. There was nothing in APA flyers, bars around town, and Randy(APA league operator) wasnt involved in the promotion of the event. The APA guys are big drinkers and in general HAVE money to spend. If they find the experience could be enjoyable and competitive and they know about it, they will come.
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Veronica H.
I did see a full page deal for the tourney at BD last weekend in APA.
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I was at Smokey's on sunday night and most of the players in there didn't even know there was a tourney at Dog's.
I've always wondered why the promoters don't get a flyer into the weekly stats' sheets so all league players can know about these things. Perhaps a way to involve every league op in the marketing of these tourneys might help? An email list of these operators so the flyers could be sent out quickly, easily, and cheaply maybe?
Ideas are a dime a dozen...
Jeff Livingston
What about the other 110 teams that didn't play at big dogs that week is what I am talking about.
Good Morning everyone
Good Morning everyone
Hola como estas. I heard it was going to be hot today so I wore a long sleeve shirt and rode my bike to work.
what happened with Phil/Daniel last night ?
Nice choice. Today would be a good day to drive steel fence posts in the ground too.
Phil wouldn't play. No shocker there. He would have had to bet his own money on the game and wouldn't do that. Said he was tired and didn't want to call Joe to stake him. Yet he was trying to play Pet the whole night since he beat Pet pretty good on Friday night for like $400. Same old stuff.
Mikey Henderson and Pet played $100/sets and broke even. They took turns running out from everywhere on each other. Both played pretty good, breaking even makes me cringe though. I didn't have any of it so I just watched it cause I was socializing.
I am not 100% because I was probably inebriated but I think that Randy did have a flier in the APA envelope one week about the tournament not that it is his responsibility to promote it since it isn't affialiated with the APA...but he did anyway. It is the responsiblity of the people promoting it to get the word out, as well as the players to try to get more people in there.
I am sure he didn't have one in there on his own paper. If there was one in there than Big Dogs would have been putting them in the envelope. The people I talked to did not do that. All the paper that Randy goes through is probably his top expense, if he would have done that he would remember.
If I remember right it was just a copy of the Big Dogs flier, not on his own newsletter so that is correct. Regardless if it is on his own newsletter or a separate flier he has no reason to put it in there other than to make people aware of another tournament they can play in since it has nothing to do with his league. Good for him for going above and beyond even if it seems like a small thing.