Updated Shaft Comparison - Carbon Fiber

I haven’t seen a chart since the 314-1 days when that online retailer tested all 30 or so shafts and kept it up to date for 3 or 4 years. I forget the retailer name, I think it started with a P. I doubt we will ever see a chart again. I think it would take a Freddie (you!) or a me or a Dave or a Bob to have the motivation and time to design and build a test setup to do it.

In my personal experience simply shooting shots since the LD shafts came out in the 90’s, Predator has been at the head of the pack by a noticeable margin. Both in the wood days and now in the carbon fiber days.
 
Incidentally, Eagleshot, who you linked on the first post, was playing a match next to my match today. I haven’t seen him in a few years. He’s had all the Revo shafts since day 1. He’s now shooting with the 11.8.
 
I don’t know if a good chart.

Do there exist joint adapters that allow you to try more shafts with your cue?
 
iusedtoberich said:
Incidentally, Eagleshot, who you linked on the first post, was playing a match next to my match today. I haven’t seen him in a few years. He’s had all the Revo shafts since day 1. He’s now shooting with the 11.8.
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I use the 11.8. I would recommend it. It plays very well the better you can remember to keep your shooting shoulder very very still.
 
nataddrho said:
I don’t know if a good chart.

Do there exist joint adapters that allow you to try more shafts with your cue?
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I had an adapter built for my Schuler. But not something I would shoot with. The Bull Carbon and the Whyte shafts use removable adapters to cover most. But I’ve been making the switch over to my Tascarella, which uses a standard full-size 5/16–14.

You thinking of coming up with something.?
 
The Revo and Ignite are pretty close to deflection properties, the others are fairly similar to a late model 314 shaft, just under a Z3. I would say the lowest deflection shafts are Revo, Ignite and Z3, with those I aim just about spot on with spin, and when hitting across the table to a ball I get a very full hit with side spin, enough to double-kiss the ball off the rail, the others hit 3/4 of the ball or so and bank the ball towards the opposite corner pocket.

I figure as long as you hit 1/4 or more of the cueball at the far short rail from the spot it's a low deflection shaft. Standard shafts you would either miss the cueball totally or just hit the corner of it. We are talking about just a normal shot at the cueball, no compensating with pivot points or back hand/front hand English shifting. Once we start doing that, we are testing the player more than the shaft.
 
Cornerman said:
I had an adapter built for my Schuler. But not something I would shoot with. The Bull Carbon and the Whyte shafts use removable adapters to cover most. But I’ve been making the switch over to my Tascarella, which uses a standard full-size 5/16–14.

You thinking of coming up with something.?
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Not thinking seriously, but I am thinking of thin molded parts made of ABS with unscrewable features, thread cavity inside thread protrusion etc. I just don’t have any money to buy the tooling. I don’t know how manufacturable it’ll be.

I am spoiled in that the companies I do work with give me equipment and I just have been using what I have been given. I don’t have enough experience trying different cues to really know much about the deflection differences. Joe Tucker taught me to play with a Z2 so I’ve ended up in that realm, OB2+, Z3, 11.8 revo. Plus I know Paul Costain, he has helped me greatly and is a very good guy, so I will stick to Revo even as homage to him.
 
Cornerman said:
I think you misread a lot. I did NOT improve my game when I played with the Predator back in the early 2000’s, long before the current CF shafts. I was winning tournaments before, during and after. But I never felt as comfortable with the Predator as I did with higher deflection. I always felt and played better with a higher deflection shaft. With a low deflection shaft, I am always fighting against my natural way of looking at shots with spin.
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This indicates to me that you would be unsatisfied with CF as CF is even more LD than wooden LD shafts.
 
MitchAlsup said:
This indicates to me that you would be unsatisfied with CF as CF is even more LD than wooden LD shafts.
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Why? Not sure you read anything I wrote either. CF doesn’t mean LD. I have at least two or three CF shafts that have higher deflection than my regular shooting shaft. I love CF, and my Mendoza CF is wonderful. I’m looking for a listing of pivot points, per my original post.
 
nataddrho said:
Not thinking seriously, but I am thinking of thin molded parts made of ABS with unscrewable features, thread cavity inside thread protrusion etc. I just don’t have any money to buy the tooling. I don’t know how manufacturable it’ll be.

I am spoiled in that the companies I do work with give me equipment and I just have been using what I have been given. I don’t have enough experience trying different cues to really know much about the deflection differences. Joe Tucker taught me to play with a Z2 so I’ve ended up in that realm, OB2+, Z3, 11.8 revo. Plus I know Paul Costain, he has helped me greatly and is a very good guy, so I will stick to Revo even as homage to him.
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You could send me a PM on what all you’re thinking. I tell billion dollar companies every day what is injection molding manufacturable.
 
Cornerman said:
Why?
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These two things::
a) I did NOT improve my game when I played with the Predator back in the early 2000’s, long before the current CF shafts.
b) But I never felt as comfortable with the Predator as I did with higher deflection.
 
MitchAlsup said:
These two things::
a) I did NOT improve my game when I played with the Predator back in the early 2000’s, long before the current CF shafts.
b) But I never felt as comfortable with the Predator as I did with higher deflection.
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I guess you missed every time I said that Carbon Fiber does not mean low deflection. Maybe everything won’t make sense until that sinks in. If you don’t have a list, maybe just let this thread go.
 
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Cornerman said:
I guess you missed every time I said that Carbon Fiber does not mean low deflection. Maybe everything won’t make sense until that sinks in. If you don’t have a list, maybe just let this thread go.
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i can’t believe you hate all carbon fiber shafts because of their ultra low deflection!🤣😂
 
hang-the-9 said:
The Revo and Ignite are pretty close to deflection properties, the others are fairly similar to a late model 314 shaft, just under a Z3.
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I have three CF shafts that are most definitely not fairly similar to a 314 shaft. For example the Bull Carbon is not targeting low deflection. Their market is for players looking for the maintenance advantage of carbon fiber, the interchangeable joint system and the much quieter hit. This is really why I’d like to see a list of CF shafts added to the list or graph from my original post. Maybe I should just add the ones I have to the list.
 
Dave tested the pivot point of the Revo and Cuetec 15K in this video, which were 19" (same as Z2) and 13", respectively. I too use BHE nearly exclusively, and a 19" bridge distance is just too far. Plan to order a 15K soon.

 
Patrick Johnson said:
Yes. The pivot point is where to pivot your cue to correctly compensate for squirt (with no swerve) for any amount of side spin. That's how backhand English works - by placing your bridge at your shaft's pivot point.

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How do you determine the pivot point?
 
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