Uppers

[SUPERSTAR]

Are you really this stupid or are you just trying to play the fool?

I sure hope your pool game is not as bad as your logic.

Wayne

So your admitting that it is only a handful of cases that actually fit the antidepressant/murder rampage criteria, instead of everyone who takes anti's right?

POOL? What's a matter, you don't like getting your ass chopped up all up and down the forum?

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Lol, Hey Wayne

I can tell you that it has given me great pleasure, knowing that you had to go look up every one of my posts, in order to try and get a handle on how to win this argument.

It will be very interesting to hear what you have to say next.

good luck

 

[LastTwo]

So to finally get back to topic, do you think that METH had medical purpose, and can it be used recreationally or not?

For the LAST time, I am not talking about prescription amphetamines! The pills doctors prescribe and meth from the street are different! Meth on the street is much more potent and addictive. And I believe this will be the fourth time in this thread I've said that when meth is used recreationally it almost always leads to addiction. Seriously man, what in the hell is wrong with you!?
You ignore what I've covered three or four times already!

 

[LastTwo]

I can tell you that it has given me great pleasure, knowing that you had to go look up every one of my posts, in order to try and get a handle on how to win this argument.

It will be very interesting to hear what you have to say next.

good luck

At least he actually reads posts and doesn't resort to the strawman fallacy like you.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

For the LAST time, I am not talking about prescription amphetamines! The pills doctors prescribe and meth from the street are different! Meth on the street is much more potent and addictive. And I believe this will be the fourth time in this thread I've said that when meth is used recreationally it almost always leads to addiction. Seriously man, what in the hell is wrong with you!?
You ignore what I've covered three or four times already!

Could you repeate yourself?, I didn't get that last part.

Do you think that STREET METH, can be used by people self medicating, and for recreational use?

lol

 

[unknownpro]

Like I said, write a compalint letter to your local congressman or President Bush. Maybe you will change their opinion like you're changing mine.

On behalf of those of us who prefer to have drugs illegal, and illegal drug users prosecuted, please accept our sincere apologies.

Chris

Drugs are not illegal, there's a drug store on every corner and a drug commercial in every tv show. I might accept your apology, if I knew what it was for. I will take it that it was for implying I am a drug user. Like I said, we all use drugs, we all eat. Therefore, I cannot accept your apology. I do apologize for implying you can't read or understand the constitution. You obviously can read, you're on this forum, and I'm sure you would understand the strict limits placed on the federal government by the constitution, and the reasons for them, if you had the time or the inclination to study these issues, as I have.

I have been reading this forum for a good while now and wanted to join in to add my two cents worth as I have enjoyed many good conversations from all you guys that have posted. I don't know who most of you are, and I'm not sure if any of you know who I am, although I do know at least one of you out there, and probably more. I wanted to share my experience in pool, having played all my life, and played on the tour for several years. I don't post under my own name here simply because I don't want arguments to be personal, as I have seen and read all about Fast Larry and Grady and how people can get riled up on here.

I also want people to take my pool advice seriously. I am not one of the top players, and probably most of you wouldn't know me if I told you my name, and the ones that do know who I am probably would think I wasn't that good anyway, but I have had good success against nearly all of the top players, I have been near the top, and I believe I know a lot about what it takes to make it to the top, which is where I'm planning to go.

You have struck a nerve with this conversation because I have been studying these issues for many years, and believe that studying the history of these problems would lead more people to understand what's going on a lot better, and see the obvious solutions. Of course most people don't have the time to do that.

If you will read my posts, you will see that I have not advocated any type of drug use, illegal or legal. I have played plenty of matches on the pro tour against players on who knows what, while I was not even taking aspirin. I once beat a top player in a money round who went berserk yelling at me to play thousand dollar sets, I declined, then drew the same guy and beat him first round the next tournament, while he made funny sucking noises and chewed his lips the whole time. I have no sympathy for drug addicts, legal or illegal. But people are people. You should value everyone's opinion, based on logic and sound reasoning. You offended me by talking down to the other guy you responded to. I was defending him, or I would have just let my question stand, the one you cannot or choose not to answer.

I use my own name when I write letters to the paper in my local area to voice my opinion on these issues and others like the illegal Iraq war (only Congress can declare war - they have not) with the illegal callups of state national guard units (can only be called up by Congress to suppress insurrections, repel invasions, or enforce the laws of the land). And I plan on running for governor of my state as soon as I can get around to it. A few million from the IPT should help me out on that, LOL!

Some of my closest friends are having great problems with prescription drugs, meth, and alcohol. Rich people can get help and go to detox centers, poor people get sent to jail or the state mental hospital. It would be easier to get help for people if it was legal. You can't even talk about the problems now because all you'll do is get people arrested and sent to jail for 30 years, leaving their children where?

If you will apologize to the other guy you talked down to, I don't remember who it was right now, then you owe me no apology for implying I use illegal drugs, as there is no such thing, and I sincerely do apologize for insulting your reading comprehension skills, I just got carried away. (I had a soda earlier which got me speeding on the caffeine they put in their to replace the original cocaine).

Sincerely
unknownpro

 

[wayne]

I can tell you that it has given me great pleasure, knowing that you had to go look up every one of my posts, in order to try and get a handle on how to win this argument.

It will be very interesting to hear what you have to say next.

good luck

Well I didn't read them all but what I did read gave me more insight into where you are coming from. I know I can't win because of my ADCD (Anti-drugging the children disorder) and maybe there are 6 million children in the U.S that are so depressed they need drugs to cope. Who am I anyway to think there might be something a little wrong with this picture? Just because I disagree with something doesn't necessarily mean I'm right or that I have to win an argument.

Wayne

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Well I didn't read them all but what I did read gave me more insight into where you are coming from. I know I can't win because of my ADCD (Anti-drugging the children disorder) and maybe there are 6 million children in the U.S that are so depressed they need drugs to cope. Who am I anyway to think there might be something a little wrong with this picture? Just because I disagree with something doesn't necessarily mean I'm right or that I have to win an argument.

Wayne

VICTORY IS MINE!!!!!!!
YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
(the crowd goes wild, someone puts a wreath of flowers around SUPERSTAR's neck, and someone sprays SUPERSTAR with champagne as he goes to sign autographs for his fans, that knew he could pull it out)

 

[LastTwo]

For those who want to open their eyes, and make their own decision as to whether addiction is a disease or a choice, read this.

just giving you the heads up, it's a tough read.

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p0210pt.html

When you found this article, did you do a search of the words 'addiction' and 'disease'? If so, you did not mention the hundreds of thousands of articles that explain why addiction is a 'brain disease'. The article you are using is by one man who is trying to sell a book. Why don't you read these articles?

http://www.hazelden.org/servlet/hazelden/go/INFO_BRAINDISEASE

No one raises a glass of alcohol, snorts a line of cocaine, or lights up a nicotine-laden cigarette with a toast: "Here's to addiction." When first using these drugs, people simply choose to do something that makes them feel good. But with continued use, these people can find themselves addicted: They depend on the drug not simply to feel good but to feel normal. Using drugs is no longer a choice but a compulsion. These people don't plan to become addicts; it just happens.

http://www.egetgoing.com/drug_addiction/addiction_disease_model.asp

According to the disease model of addiction, habitual use of alcohol or drugs can be characterized as a disease. Studies show that irreversible changes occur in those who use substances repeatedly. When individuals become addicted to alcohol or drugs, those changes make being a normal drinker or social drug user impossible. The more severe the loss of control while using or drinking, the more true this is. Substance abuse becomes an obsession of the mind, in which the only thing that matters is drinking or using.

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/addiction/berman/genetic/

Initial theories of a single "alcoholic gene" have essentially been disproven by research. We believe that multiple genes play a role in the transmission of addiction from one generation to another. It is called POLYGENIC INHERITANCE

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90688&page=1

Many scientists say addicts have literally lost control, and that they suffer from a disease.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/about/welcome/aboutdrugabuse/chronicdisease/

Drug addiction shares many features with other chronic illnesses, including a tendency to run in families (heritability), an onset and course that is influenced by environmental conditions and behavior, and the ability to respond to appropriate treatment, which may include long-term lifestyle modification.1 Addiction is a chronic disease similar to other chronic diseases such as type II diabetes, cancer, and cardiovascular disease.

***I COULD LIST ABOUT 500,000 MORE SOURCES THAT ARGUE AGAINST YOU AND YOUR BUDDY WHO'S TRYING TO SELL A BOOK, BUT THAT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG. STILL THINK YOU "WON"? LOL

 

[LastTwo]

Well I didn't read them all but what I did read gave me more insight into where you are coming from. I know I can't win because of my ADCD (Anti-drugging the children disorder) and maybe there are 6 million children in the U.S that are so depressed they need drugs to cope. Who am I anyway to think there might be something a little wrong with this picture? Just because I disagree with something doesn't necessarily mean I'm right or that I have to win an argument.

Wayne

Wayne, psychiatry has gotten so stupid that antidepressants are prescribed even when a kid doesn't want to do his homework and wants to play all day. The medications are so loosely prescribed it's rediculous.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Of course i won.
You just quoted what you wanted people to see. Let people make up their own minds, and stop trying to shove your brand of thinking down their throats.

 

[wayne]

VICTORY IS MINE!!!!!!!
YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
(the crowd goes wild, someone puts a wreath of flowers around SUPERSTAR's neck, and someone sprays SUPERSTAR with champagne as he goes to sign autographs for his fans, that knew he could pull it out)

LOL. You reminded me of a time I beat a talented Filipino 13 straight games of one-pocket for a $100 a game. He won the 14th game and started rejoicing, paid me the $1200 and quit. Some people take their wins wherever they can find them. LOL

Wayne

 

[unknownpro]

Careful, you are going to have Superstar attacking you because there are no coverups or gag orders and the Pharmaceutical companies and their Trillion dollar business wouldn't stoop to paying off anyone if the truth got out about their wonderful anti-depressants and their puppets the Psychs wouldn't make up disorders to pad their pockets. The 6 million children on anti-depressants all have mental disorders requiring this medication and the fact that they go out and start killing after they get medicated has nothing to do with it.

Wayne

Come on Wayne, don't you remember all the school shootings that happened before Ritalin, and Prozac, and all the other stupid brand names for a simple chemical compound given to small children to rectify all of their nutritional and psychological problems brought on by modern life in the Fortune 500 world.

Oh that's right, there weren't any, were there.

unknownpro

 

[LastTwo]

Could you repeate yourself?, I didn't get that last part.

Do you think that STREET METH, can be used by people self medicating, and for recreational use?

lol

Now you've resorted from the strawman fallacy to playing dumb. Of course it 'can' be used by those people. What would be stopping them? Why would it be impossible? Rephrase your question.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Of course it 'can' be used by those people.

I've just won again.
and with that victory, i will retire from this thread.

It was a pleasure doing battle with you.

Till we meet again.

 

[LastTwo]

Of course i won.
You just quoted what you wanted people to see. Let people make up their own minds, and stop trying to shove your brand of thinking down their throats.

I posted articles just like you did. The only difference is I used reliable sources and quoted text from the articles that make alot of sense. I also proved that nearly the entire medical world and addiction specialists agree with my side of the argument. You have won the title of 'hypocrite'.

 

[LastTwo]

I've just won again.
and with that victory, i will retire from this thread.

It was a pleasure doing battle with you.

Till we meet again.

You are beyond stupid. Seriously.

I destroyed you in this argument and now you quote me out of context and then leave the thread with your tail in between your legs. Run forest, run!

Can you guys believe this dude? He is absoloutely insane! Thanks for the laugh!

 

[chefjeff]

Whoa easy Jeff sounds like you may be getting upset by Last Two. Remember your quotes "The secret to happy pool is to Manage the shot."
"...every shot began to add to my happiness" "I built a happy pool shot from 1989 through 1997."

Now Last Two you should note that Jeff plays 8 ball and he plays "HAPPY POOL", he has spent 9 years building his "HAPPY POOL SHOT". I think you should take this into consideration and cut the guy some slack.

Wayne

No, I'm not getting upset by LastTwo. I've already explained to you that no one outside of the self can make MY decision (or YOURS as you stated in a previous post) to choose my (or your) emotions. Now, I did upset myself a little bit from his repeated errors which usually resulted in personal attacks on me, vs. rational reuftation of the arguments.

I know from experience that the term "Happy Shot" can be misunderstood, especially in today's hedonistic world. To clarify: The goal of any conscious being is happiness. Not pleasure, necessarily, but happiness.

Happiness is a bias toward goodness, not a mometary pleasure (a meth high, for example). So the term "Happy shot" doesn't mean that I'm always pleased with this shot, per se. For example, I may have choked the 9-ball and lost money. That would not be pleasurable. But if I have a successful process for the shot, then I am able to have it add to my long-term happiness, rather than subtract from it, even if it hurts at the time. That's what I've built over the last (now) 17 years and still building as happiness is limitness.

LastTwo cannot give me some slack...he hasn't made a rational argument yet, so he has nothing from which to cut some slack.

I hope that clears that up. And thanks for reading the recipe post and thinking about it. It was to be an comparison to the subject of using uppers and how to control this moment when deciding whether or not to use.

btw, 8-ball rules!

Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

(snip)

As far as the constitution goes, I believe that we have the right to make laws that protect society from criminals. In case you haven't noticed, illegal drugs are illegal. If you wish to argue that they shouldn't be, write your local congressman.

Chris

That is circular reasoning.

Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

I've just won again.
and with that victory, i will retire from this thread.

It was a pleasure doing battle with you.

Till we meet again.

Nice game. Maybe we can argue sometime?

Jeff Livingston