US Open censors Quick-Clean

Interesting.. I agree with both sides here. As sponsorships and business competition go, it seems silly to bring this debate here.

But I, as a consumer, learned something new from this post about one product over another, so that has to be a good thing, right? If the sponsorship agreement led to the crappy product getting all the ad space at the Open, it's only in forums like this that the real story can be told.

Then again, anyone who assumes an 'official blah blah product of the blah blah ' is worth anything more than another product based on said sponsorship, probably wouldn't learn much from a newsgroup anyway.

Hmm, if I were in the market for a table cleaner though, I'd search here then just post a question of the community and learn the same info..

Yep, gotta go with Jude on this one.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, am I the only one that gets annoyed with these vendors coming to azb to publicize their business disputes?


Use bottom right and go three rails!
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I'd rather bank it to the left corner pocket, but no, you're not the only one that gets annoyed when commercial businesses come on the forum to air thier dirty laundry.
 
Purdman said:
You got sumptin against Grady and his ol'lady playing pool?
Purd :p
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LOLz....that's what first came to mind when I seen that...:eek: :eek:

I've met David Hodges before and is nice guy and it's a shame he's being shut out but maybe Barry does have to abide by some legal contractual obligation...
 
David, fwiw, I think you're are in the moral right here, but the fact is Barry is within his rights as a business man to do as he pleases.
I, for one, will continue to buy Quick-clean not Chalk-off. Matter of fact I'd use "Blue Coral Dri-Clean Carpet and Upholstery Cleaner" before I'd use Chalk-off. Your product does a good job and doesn't leave a smell in my cloth, I like that. Besides I thought the way they moved in on you after you spend all the money to promote it was pretty sleazy, but then again we are talking about the pool world.
 
catscradle said:
Besides I thought the way they moved in on you after you spend all the money to promote it was pretty sleazy, but then again we are talking about the pool world.
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It's comments like these that propagate the notion that the pool world is sleazy. I don't see the evidence that points to the "pool world" having any more sleaze than the rest of the world.

Thanks and have a great weekend.

Yours for a continued sleaze free pool world.

SGM
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wait, are we talking about a right to sell at the US Open or a doctored video? This thread, at least how I understood it, was directed at the US Open, not competing Chalk-Off.

I mean, this happens ALL THE TIME now. Someone starts a thread sounding off about how they've been cheated, we all chime in then a week later, the other party does the same and suddenly new and damning evidence surfaces. Like I said, who the hell are we to judge either way? If someone's been wronged, you get your lawyers in it. That's what lawyers do. It just seems so unprofessional to me. In my world, you make business partners over dinner and wine, not through accusations on billiard forums.
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True but the media can play a larger role than any lawyer can. How many good issues have been left in the hands of lawyers only to never see the light of day. Most of the wrongs that have been righted with a lawsuit have stipulations in them that you cant discuss them.
I dont see anything wrong with David coming here to a group of his peers and venting a little. Its also a media source that prehaps he can use to let some people in the industry know whats going on.

I do see your point though. Looking at it that way shouldnt BB have called David and explained the situation to him personally. Afterall the guy did go there and help him out.

Maybe I just see the Open differently due to 2 bad trips there but I have never had or understood the love affair that many have had with Behrman(sp?).
 
catscradle said:
David, fwiw, I think you're are in the moral right here, but the fact is Barry is within his rights as a business man to do as he pleases.
I, for one, will continue to buy Quick-clean not Chalk-off. Matter of fact I'd use "Blue Coral Dri-Clean Carpet and Upholstery Cleaner" before I'd use Chalk-off. Your product does a good job and doesn't leave a smell in my cloth, I like that. Besides I thought the way they moved in on you after you spend all the money to promote it was pretty sleazy, but then again we are talking about the pool world.
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I try and not lump the whole pool/billiards industry as crooked....

Looking at the thread from 2 years ago jogs my memory and I recall thinking at first they were the same thing...I recall adverts where it shows David spraying a table down and all of the sudden it shows Chalk off as the product...to me this would get you in court fast as hell...
 
supergreenman said:
It's comments like these that propagate the notion that the pool world is sleazy. I don't see the evidence that points to the "pool world" having any more sleaze than the rest of the world.

Thanks and have a great weekend.

Yours for a continued sleaze free pool world.

SGM
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I suppose you're right, but that only means the world at large is sleazy.
 
XMit said:
This is an attempt to mislead the market, plain and simple.
The commercials show Mr. Hodges cleaning a table, and then advertise the "Chalk Off" product.

An example.

Don't you think Cuetec would have a problem if Scorpion made a commercial showing Earl playing, and touting the features of that product.

I doubt Mr. Hodges would clean a table with anything other than his own product. This is a cheap shot by a crooked marketer.
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Post from the old thread...just to clarify things...I don't know if there's a connection with Bcn and this whole debacle because the video advert I seen was on ESPN IIRC....
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Like I said, who the hell are we to judge either way? If someone's been wronged, you get your lawyers in it. That's what lawyers do.
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JR,
I guess I will have to disagree that lawyers are the answer to all of society's judgement issues (you must have a higher degree of appreciation for them than I do). We ALL must make judgements every day....no need to fear the process. Kevin Trudeau, Adolf Hitler, and Jerry Falwell all have made a fortune by making our judgements for us (I would have added breakup's name, but he is such a sleaze the others would be offended).

The forum is a very appropriate place to present your side of any problem that is pool related. This may be the only way that interested pool players can find out about things that may directly affect us - if Jude Rosenstock fires an air barrel at sjm; how else am I going to find out about it if not through AZB (the nightly news is unlikely to cover this disgraceful behavior). I have heard some very useful things this way (ie; be careful gambling with Tony Ruberto, make Ronnie Wiseman post up, be careful ordering cue work from several different guys, etc., etc.). Are all of my judgements about these people correct?.....maybe not, but at least I can protect myself.

If the scumbag......errr....offending party wants to chime in a week later, then let him; no one has to read all of these threads if they are not interested.

P.S. - Jude, David Hodges is a respected forum member. He has actively supported and contributed to the AZB room. FYI.
 
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Smorgass Bored said:
You called ?
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Bored-One,
GEEEEZ LOUISE!!!!!! That is the single worst avatar of ALL TIME!!!!!!

Where did you find a picture of breakup? I think he might have let himself slide a bit after the crushing defeat in the Grudge Match.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wait, are we talking about a right to sell at the US Open or a doctored video? This thread, at least how I understood it, was directed at the US Open, not competing Chalk-Off.
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I brought up the doctored ads because it seemed to me that they were part of the history that lead up to the issue at the Open.

Jude Rosenstock said:
I mean, this happens ALL THE TIME now. Someone starts a thread sounding off about how they've been cheated, we all chime in then a week later, the other party does the same and suddenly new and damning evidence surfaces.
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I see your point. However, I don't think it's a black-and-white issue. One of the great things about the internet is that it gives consumers a free, convenient way to find out which products and services are worth the money, and which are a big ripoff. If I have to catch a whiff of someone's dirty laundry being aired to prevent my laundry from being soiled, so be it.

That said, both sides (thread starter and readers) should approach with caution. If you feel you've been wronged, you don't want to jump on the forum right away and flame someone. You should try to work it out first. However, if and when it becomes clear that you are truly getting screwed, warning other people about the problem seems like the right thing to do.

Likewise, the ones reading about it shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. You're right; people can be too quick to judge. Based on the evidence we were shown, I don't think that's the case with the video.

As far as the issue at the Open, that just sounds like business. In and of itself, there's probably nothing wrong with it. As Mr. Uwate pointed out, the contract probably just went to the highest bidder. However, to me, when I look at that in the context of the history between Chalk-Off and Quick-Clean, that is when it really stings. IMO, it makes it more than just a big company eating a little one.

Jude Rosenstock said:
Like I said, who the hell are we to judge either way?
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I am the consumer; that's who. :)
 
Williebetmore said:
P.S. - Jude, David Hodges is a respected forum member. He has actively supported and contributed to the AZB room. FYI.
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He has 37 posts and from what I see, 36 of them are related to his product. Can you please explain what you mean? Seriously, I respect what you have to say but I don't see what you're talking about.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
He has 37 posts and from what I see, 36 of them are related to his product. Can you please explain what you mean? Seriously, I respect what you have to say but I don't see what you're talking about.
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JR,
All I meant was that he has always been supportive of AZB activities - donating time and money. He has also always been willing to help people who were interested in knowing more about his product - I have always thought his posts were very fair. I do not see him as a relentless self-promoter (we do have a few of those); and I was getting the impression that you thought he was. I'm sure that quite a few AZB'ers have met him at DCC; I hope this year will be no different.
 
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Williebetmore said:
JR,
All I meant was that he has always been supportive of AZB activities - donating time and money. He has also always been willing to help people who were interested in knowing more about his product - I have always thought his posts were very fair. I do not see him as a relentless self-promoter (we do have a few of those); and I was getting the impression that you thought he was.
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I mean, I haven't come to any conclusions yet and I hope he proves you right.

I guess I just get a little skeptical since so many times I see threads similar in tone that are missing important facts. I would prefer it, at the very least, if this thread started AFTER the US Open. At least then, there might be some retort.
 
I think his point was that even though Chalk Off was the official cleaner last year as well, Chalk Off would not get the tables clean, so Barry asked Quick Clean to get the tables clean. Quick Clean did Barry a solid from what I am understanding and is pissed that Barry did not return the solid this year because Quick Clean said he couldn't clean the tables for Barry this year. So Barry banned Quick Clean. I know the feeling of doing someone a favor then having them be a total douchebag, so I feel for ya.
 
i wouldnt waste my $$$ on either of the products, a brush, vacuum and a little work and the table is fine, pool has been around for years this stuff popped up in the last few years, its all snake oil,
 
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