US Open coverage on ESPN 2 - excellent!!!

dinovirus

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Time for credit where credit is due. I caught almost all of the Earl Strickland vs. Rodney Morris match on ESPN2 last night. I had to watch it via closed captioning because I was at the pool room, but I have to tell you that they finally got something right in televised pool. The camera work was fantastic, the commentary was professional and interesting (at least on the captioning), and, most importantly, the match was REAL POOL. Race to 11 games, winner breaks, on a tough table - with NO shot clock either. From what I could tell, the audience only clapped when someone made an actual good shot. It was like watching an Accu-Stats match! I think Pat Fleming may even have been the director.

What I especially liked is how they used graphics to explain simple rules like 'ball-in-hand' or pool specific terminology rather than have the commentators waste time doing it. I still dislike the Sardo Rack and having the nine racked on the spot, and Jim Wych uses too much Canadian and British terminology for an American audience, but you can't have everything. They also use that direct overhead camera too much, IMO, but it appears as though it's only done when the telestrator is in action, so I could tough it out. All the actual shotmaking was shown using angled cameras (you know, like in tennis and football) so we finally had three dimensions.

All in all, it was excellent. It makes the last telecast from the World Summit look like it was done by grade schoolers (which it may have been). For those in the know, it showcases especially how much better a taped telecast can be if the post-production work is handled by an actual post-production crew, rather than by the producer and director on hand at the event.

Next thing you know, they'll be televising one pocket.
 
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I watched the Deuel-Reyes match (taped the Strickland-Morris match for later). I also enjoyed it - very different production values than WPBA. I haven't analyzed it in detail, but Billy Incardona seemed very subdued compared to his usual self. I sure liked having 2 pool players commentating (sorry Mitch).
 
I really enjoyed watching it too! It was well done.

BTW, Did anyone take note to the new BCA Leagues commercial that was played during this telecast?

Eydie
 
I agree the prgrams was pretty good.The best part was seeing my better half over Earls shoulder during his match.I was off sweating another match while this one was being played.
 
dinovirus said:
...Jim Wych uses too much Canadian and British terminology ...

Like, there's no such thing, eh ! :D

Dave

PS I'm glad the broadcast was enjoyable. It is very frustrating to watch substandard coverage of sporting events.

PPS Please notice the vbg smiley. As a Canadian I am obligated to be as polite as possible, even when giving someone from another country a hard time. Generally speaking, we do love our neighbours (even if we spell it differently).
 
DaveK said:
Like, there's no such thing, eh ! :D

Dave

PS I'm glad the broadcast was enjoyable. It is very frustrating to watch substandard coverage of sporting events.

PPS Please notice the vbg smiley. As a Canadian I am obligated to be as polite as possible, even when giving someone from another country a hard time. Generally speaking, we do love our neighbours (even if we spell it differently).

Jim's actually a friend of mine, but he still calls the winners' and losers' sides the 'a' and 'b' side, which is annoying to many US viewers (the 'a' side and 'b' side of a draw actually originated with curling bonspiels), even if they do know what he means. He also consistently calls the break the 'break off' shot which drives me bonkers (even in the UK, the 'break off' shot is only at snooker and billiards - when they play pool they just call it 'the break'). Just in case you all don't know the terms, here they are...

US - pool......................UK - snooker
break..........................break off
combination..................plant
bank shot.....................double
skid.............................kick
kick.............................escape
dead combination...........wired plant or set
draw............................screw
follow..........................top spin
inside english................check side
outside english..............running side
scratch........................in off
run..............................break (as in breakaway - also used in croquet)
masse..........................swerve
winners' side.................'A' side (Canada only)
losers'/one loss side........'B'side (Canada only)
 
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Earl's starting to impress me with his kicking ability. Pretty soon they will be calling him the magician.

PS. I thoroughly enjoyed the matches last night. Great quality play, winner breaks, good announcing and they actually got in more than one game at a time between commercial breaks. Outstanding!

Plus pool on a couple of different nights in one week when I hadn't already seen either broadcast - awesome!
 
dinovirus said:
...Just in case you all don't know the terms, here they are...

US - pool......................UK - snooker
break..........................break off
combination..................plant
bank shot.....................double
skid.............................kick
kick.............................escape
dead combination...........wired plant or set
draw............................screw
follow..........................top spin
inside english................check side
outside english..............running side
scratch........................in off
run..............................break (as in breakaway - also used in croquet)
masse..........................swerve
winners' side.................'A' side (Canada only)
losers'/one loss side........'B'side (Canada only)

I play at Pacific Ave Billiards here in Saskatoon. Spend an evening there and you will hear all of the above terminology. You will even hear things like "I wanted to screw it back a foot, but it only drew four inches". Canadians have no identity crisis, really !

But as far as TV coverage goes, I'd rather have a good look at the game/shot/table with a terrible announcer than a great announcer with poor camera work. The 'mute' button to the rescue !

Dave
 
Rude Dog said:
I missed this telecast, does anyone know the schedule for future matches? Thanks in advance.

November 4 is the next telecast. If anyone has a copy of billiard digest they list the dates of these matches. THey will be telecasting these matches 4 more times this month.
 
Some more US/UK pool terms

You forgot:

US - UK/Canadian

Rail - Cushion
Rack - Frame
Make (a ball) - Pot (a ball)
Run (a rack) - Dish (a frame)
The Pocket - The Bag (A reference to the leather pockets found on Snooker tables)
Also "Scratch" as a generic US term for any error is closer to "Foul" in the UK than "In-off", which specifically refers to the cue ball going into a pocket.

And lastly, in the UK you'd say "Good match" to your opponent when you win. (Whether or not it actually was, we are just polite like that.) In the US you say "Pay up".
 
efirkey said:
Earl's starting to impress me with his kicking ability. Pretty soon they will be calling him the magician.

PS. I thoroughly enjoyed the matches last night. Great quality play, winner breaks, good announcing and they actually got in more than one game at a time between commercial breaks. Outstanding!

Plus pool on a couple of different nights in one week when I hadn't already seen either broadcast - awesome!


Not only did Strickland kick excellent, did anyone really take notice how Earl pockets balls with such confidence! That is why I think he is the best 9-ball player in the world even above Reyes. The Deuel-Reyes match was an excellent exciting match to watch. Corey seems to have regained his focus and is playing like a champion.

The commentating and camera work was what everyone has been wanting to see and hear for a long time. They made you feel as if it was a live event. The race to eleven fit perfectly into the time slot.
 
Rude Dog said:
I missed this telecast, does anyone know the schedule for future matches? Thanks in advance.

Here you go:

2004 U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship ESPN2 Telecast Schedule (All Times Eastern):

11/01/04 MON 10:00P - 11:00P Efren Reyes vs. Corey Deuel

11/01/04 MON 11:00P - 12:00A Corey Deuel vs. Mika Immonen

11/04/04 THU 11:00A - 12:00P Efren Reyes vs. Corey Deuel

11/04/04 THU 12:00P - 01:00P Corey Deuel vs. Mika Immonen

11/04/04 THU 05:00P - 06:00P Efren Reyes vs. Corey Deuel

11/04/04 THU 06:00P - 07:00P Corey Deuel vs. Mika Immonen

11/05/04 FRI 11:00A - 12:00P Earl Strickland vs. Rodney Morris

11/05/04 FRI 12:00P - 01:00P Gabe Owen vs. Thorsten Hohmann

11/08/04 MON 10:00P - 11:00P Earl Strickland vs. Rodney Morris

11/08/04 MON 11:00P - 12:00A Gabe Owen vs. Thorsten Hohmann

11/18/04 THU 11:00A - 12:00P Efren Reyes vs. Corey Deuel

11/18/04 THU 12:00P - 01:00P Corey Deuel vs. Mika Immonen

11/19/04 FRI 11:00A - 12:00P Earl Strickland vs. Rodney Morris

11/19/04 FRI 12:00P - 01:00P Gabe Owen vs. Thorsten Hohmann
 
9 Ball Girl said:
Here you go:

2004 U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship ESPN2 Telecast Schedule (All Times Eastern):

11/19/04 FRI 12:00P - 01:00P Gabe Owen vs. Thorsten Hohmann......

Wow, thanks for a great post. Lots of good matches to watch.
 
I agree, last night was some of the best coverage I have watched in a long time (outside of accustat). I hope this is a small taste of whats to come!!!
 
the Open show..on espn..

sjm said:
Wow, thanks for a great post. Lots of good matches to watch.
I got to watch it but i have to say the guy Jim W.Was a pain always talkin .i was beggin 4 him to shut the hell up .God " felt he was talking about nothing at all .Bill could not get 2 words in ..The matches were great .But Jim please ZIP the LIP. :D :D ..
O 9-ball girl that for the time of the matches. :) :) :cool:
 
Williebetmore said:
I watched the Deuel-Reyes match (taped the Strickland-Morris match for later). I also enjoyed it - very different production values than WPBA. I haven't analyzed it in detail, but Billy Incardona seemed very subdued compared to his usual self. I sure liked having 2 pool players commentating (sorry Mitch).


I also watched that match the thing I didn't like that they didn't replay cory's draw shot all the way up table and back, that was a hell of a shot and I was waiting to look at it again but they didn't replay it! that was not the right thing to do, it should have been showned again :(
 
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