US Open

Timberly said:
I've seen her play and I totally respect her game and I enjoyed watching her play. There are a few others like her that play that good, & fast.... they're in the minority.

Just out of curiosity, where did you see that it said that she didn't know if she could play in the open or not? The reason I ask is because I can understand her not knowing if she's going to be invited to play in the women's open:rolleyes: but I have a hard time understanding why she doesn't already know that she can't play in the US Open, which has been men only since well before she was born.
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She doesn't know because Barry never EXPLICITLY says that the US Open is not really OPEN. It's only when someone ASKS that they are told that the US Open does not allow women. Also, if I am not mistaken, which I probably am, but I think that Jean Balukas played in at least one US Open.

I personally think that the real reason women are not allowed in the US Open is that Barry cannot stand to watch the men get beat by women. If however, he were half the promoter that he claims to be, then he would realize that the whole women vs. men thing would draw that many more spectators to his event.

Want proof? Just look at the IPT - half of the reports and most of the discussions are about the women and how they are doing at the event.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
There are chess tournaments that are OPEN to ANYONE who is rated 1600 and below. ( I just used 1600 arbitrarily) Should the grandmasters be allowed to play in this tournament? No they shouldn't. Should the winner of the 1600 and below tournament be allowed to play in the Grandmaster tounament? Of course.

John
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I agree with everything you said in your posts. However I just had to nit pick on this one portion. I think you mean 600 here, because 1600 would be a Grandmaster. It just looked funny from my perspective. But good post overall.
 
Cameron Smith said:
I agree with everything you said in your posts. However I just had to nit pick on this one portion. I think you mean 600 here, because 1600 would be a Grandmaster. It just looked funny from my perspective. But good post overall.
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Although it's been many years since I've played competitive chess, I believe that 1600 would be a B-player. A grandmaster would probably be 2400+. :)
 
Well: This is a smart remark ( without putting the other ones down).

"Quote "I don't believe that Barry should have the right to discriminate based on gender. I believe that he should have the right to discriminate based on SKILL "Ouote".

There should be A/B/C/D/E tournaments. Being A the Highest and E the lowest in skills! If that would be the fact we would not need to have this discussion.
But ok!!!!!!!! Enough said about that for me!

Somebody ( i think it was black ball who said it) told me that he would figure things out for Jasmin. I know her manager is working on it. And to be clearly I think this is for the Womens US open event.

So to answer another question: If she is allowed to play... then she will be in the USA in september and i will give her te hint of the other tour someone mentioned!
 
Dude, what's your problem?

Barry has the right to set the rules, regulations, and qualifications any way he wishes. When YOU put together a tournament, you can set these limits any way you see fit. He has NO OBLIGATION to allow ANYONE to play.

Should I sue for the right to use the women only fitness facilities just because they don't allow me to?
 
BazookaJoe said:
Dude, what's your problem?

Barry has the right to set the rules, regulations, and qualifications any way he wishes. When YOU put together a tournament, you can set these limits any way you see fit. He has NO OBLIGATION to allow ANYONE to play.

Should I sue for the right to use the women only fitness facilities just because they don't allow me to?
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I pretty much think I outlined my "problem" several times. In case you missed it the civil rights act pretty much outlawed discrimination based on race and sex. No one has ever challenged Barry on this so he can continues to get away with it.

I am not even clear on what the law states in this regard but even if Barry is allowed to exclude women it is still discriminatory and sexist of him to do so.

You probably could successfully sue Curves because they don't allow men to join. I don't know. I consider them to be discriminatory as well. I don't think that it is legal for them to have a business that allows only females but I am probably wrong.

John
 
BazookaJoe said:
Dude, what's your problem?
Should I sue for the right to use the women only fitness facilities just because they don't allow me to?
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I'm in that! - class action? :D
 
onepocketchump said:
I pretty much think I outlined my "problem" several times. In case you missed it the civil rights act pretty much outlawed discrimination based on race and sex. No one has ever challenged Barry on this so he can continues to get away with it.

I am not even clear on what the law states in this regard but even if Barry is allowed to exclude women it is still discriminatory and sexist of him to do so.

You probably could successfully sue Curves because they don't allow men to join. I don't know. I consider them to be discriminatory as well. I don't think that it is legal for them to have a business that allows only females but I am probably wrong.

John
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I believe you are wrong, and I'll tell you why.

Curves operates their business to allow women to work up a sweat in a wardrobe with less than full coverage without harassment from male clientele.
I believe they have the right.

THE FOLLOWING IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION NOT MEANT TO BE A DIRECT LINK TO THE US OPEN.
Institutions which are men only give us the opportunity to act like men(Crude and obnoxious!), without fear of repercussion (lawsuit over a dirty joke). Otherwise we will all end up wimpy little metrosexual men.

It's not that I don't believe they can compete. I just believe that it is his perogative to set the limits for a privately operated event.
 
Have we all forgot that Barry did run two U.S. OPEN in the early ninety! One for men and one for women. But drop the Women US OPEN and kept the Men US OPEN in / around middle ninety! Why not have the Women US OPEN winner and Barry US OPEN [men] winner, play a winner take all tournament?
 
BazookaJoe said:
I believe you are wrong, and I'll tell you why.

Curves operates their business to allow women to work up a sweat in a wardrobe with less than full coverage without harassment from male clientele.
I believe they have the right.

THE FOLLOWING IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION NOT MEANT TO BE A DIRECT LINK TO THE US OPEN.
Institutions which are men only give us the opportunity to act like men(Crude and obnoxious!), without fear of repercussion (lawsuit over a dirty joke). Otherwise we will all end up wimpy little metrosexual men.

It's not that I don't believe they can compete. I just believe that it is his perogative to set the limits for a privately operated event.
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I am not sure that I get it. Curves allows women to exercise naked? Even if they do I don't see how allowing men equals allowing harrassment. I have been to nudist colonies where it is explicitly made clear that harrassment and lewdness will not be tolerated. Consequently it is not a problem.

I understand that Barry is setting the limitations he wants for his event. I am not sure whether it is legal for him to do so. I am sure that it is not morally correct.

I hope you meant the "boys club" stuff as a joke because Barry sure enough allows women to spectate and be ring card girls at his events. I'd hate to see him get "sued" for men being crude and obnoxious towards the women in attendance and thoe employed at the event. In other words women are good enough to buy tickets and trinkets and good enough to be servants but not good enough to be competitors.

It is more than likely that Barry had a dispute with the WPBA about television rights and the WPBA wouldn't allow their players to play and so Barry said fine, no women can play. The WPBA has softened their stance on this so maybe Barry should rethink his, if that is actually what happened.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
I am not sure that I get it. Curves allows women to exercise naked? Even if they do I don't see how allowing men equals allowing harrassment. I have been to nudist colonies where it is explicitly made clear that harrassment and lewdness will not be tolerated. Consequently it is not a problem.

I understand that Barry is setting the limitations he wants for his event. I am not sure whether it is legal for him to do so. I am sure that it is not morally correct.

I hope you meant the "boys club" stuff as a joke because Barry sure enough allows women to spectate and be ring card girls at his events. I'd hate to see him get "sued" for men being crude and obnoxious towards the women in attendance and thoe employed at the event. In other words women are good enough to buy tickets and trinkets and good enough to be servants but not good enough to be competitors.

It is more than likely that Barry had a dispute with the WPBA about television rights and the WPBA wouldn't allow their players to play and so Barry said fine, no women can play. The WPBA has softened their stance on this so maybe Barry should rethink his, if that is actually what happened.

John
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Naked? No. I said "less than full coverage"

Note the DISCLAIMER IN BOLD ABOVE THE "BOYS CLUB" PARAGRAPH

I don't think it matters why he doesn't allow it. I just think the decision should be left to him.

Nudist colony????
Perv
 
onepocketchump said:
I understand that Barry is setting the limitations he wants for his event. I am not sure whether it is legal for him to do so. I am sure that it is not morally correct.

I hope you meant the "boys club" stuff as a joke because Barry sure enough allows women to spectate and be ring card girls at his events. I'd hate to see him get "sued" for men being crude and obnoxious towards the women in attendance and thoe employed at the event. In other words women are good enough to buy tickets and trinkets and good enough to be servants but not good enough to be competitors.

It is more than likely that Barry had a dispute with the WPBA about television rights and the WPBA wouldn't allow their players to play and so Barry said fine, no women can play. The WPBA has softened their stance on this so maybe Barry should rethink his, if that is actually what happened.
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This entire issue was discussed on the CCB a very long time ago. You can search for the thread but, I am sorry, I don't have the time.

IIRC, Barry's son, Brady, joined in the discussion and said that women were allowed to play in the U.S. Open, at one time. The WPBA made some sort of deal with Barry to get the rights to use the name, "U.S. Open" for their own, women only, open event. Part of that deal is that women would no longer be allowed to play in Barry's U.S. Open.

So this whole thing has nothing to do with Barry discriminating against women or any other group. This was simply the result of a deal between the governing body of women's pool and Barry.
 
Rich R. said:
This entire issue was discussed on the CCB a very long time ago. You can search for the thread but, I am sorry, I don't have the time.

IIRC, Barry's son, Brady, joined in the discussion and said that women were allowed to play in the U.S. Open, at one time. The WPBA made some sort of deal with Barry to get the rights to use the name, "U.S. Open" for their own, women only, open event. Part of that deal is that women would no longer be allowed to play in Barry's U.S. Open.

So this whole thing has nothing to do with Barry discriminating against women or any other group. This was simply the result of a deal between the governing body of women's pool and Barry.
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Thanks for clearing this up. I honestly didn't know if women could play or not since i've heard Barry say many times "just put up your entry fee and play", but he never mentioned female players and of course we know that men can't play in any of the WPBA womens events. Your explanation makes sense, but i'd still like to see some of the top females play in the tournament. It would be very interesting to see a player like Jasmin in the US Open.
 
Then it was a stupid deal for both of them. The WPBA gave up one of the golden opportunities for their players to compete against the best players in the world and Barry gave up the opportunity to have the spectator draw of gender competition.

Knowing Barry though I still say that it was a sexist power play on his part. He could have given the WPBA the Women's US Open and still allowed the women to play in his US Open.

And, I will bet that the WPBA wouldn't mind at all if Barry did allow women to play in the US Open right now.

John
 
BazookaJoe said:
Naked? No. I said "less than full coverage"

Note the DISCLAIMER IN BOLD ABOVE THE "BOYS CLUB" PARAGRAPH

I don't think it matters why he doesn't allow it. I just think the decision should be left to him.

Nudist colony????
Perv
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Excuse me? You're the one who is apparently intimately familiar with what goes on in "Women's" gyms. We'll just have to agree to disagree because I happen to think it does matter "why" a person discriminates.

Maybe you're black, or brown, or you're a little slow, or you like to dress in women's clothing. None of these are reasons for me to have the right to deny you access to services, to deny you employment if you are qualified for the job. Sorry, but being born a woman should not disqualify a person from performing a task where gender should not matter. And I don't care what kind of "deal" a person makes. Contracts that take away civil rights granted by the Constitution are unenforceable.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
Excuse me? You're the one who is apparently intimately familiar with what goes on in "Women's" gyms. We'll just have to agree to disagree because I happen to think it does matter "why" a person discriminates.

Maybe you're black, or brown, or you're a little slow, or you like to dress in women's clothing. None of these are reasons for me to have the right to deny you access to services, to deny you employment if you are qualified for the job. Sorry, but being born a woman should not disqualify a person from performing a task where gender should not matter. And I don't care what kind of "deal" a person makes. Contracts that take away civil rights granted by the Constitution are unenforceable.

John
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You should just walk right up and hit Barry with your purse then, Lucy.
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
Although it's been many years since I've played competitive chess, I believe that 1600 would be a B-player. A grandmaster would probably be 2400+. :)
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oops, you know what your right :o. I retract my statement.:D. I don't know what I was thinking, and I used to be competitive chess player :o. Not so much anymore I guess eh?:D
 
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