Using the OB to Sweep in Pro One

BeiberLvr said:
Glad I could be of some help.

It was never my intention to say what I'm doing is better than what Stan has put out there. Looking back, I totally understand why Nob was being so defensive. I also hope that he at least understands (although might not agree) why I referred to my method as Pro One. Same visuals, same sweeps, but using the OB vs. the CB.

I only shared this method with everyone in hopes that it would help them as much as it has helped me. In regards to any gaps in my method, well I can honestly say I haven't seen any. However, I simply propose that anyone (such as yourself) who thinks there are gaps to give me a list of shots in which you think gaps would be present using this method.

I'll be playing some on Wednesday, and would be more than happy to shoot them and record a video. If I can't make the shots using this method, well then it won't hurt me to say it's incomplete.
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My concern is purely this could potentially confuse some people. There are no gaps with CTE/Pro One, Stan has proven that rather conclusively. Believe it or not, I experimented a bit myself with involving the OB in the sweeps as you described. I could make this work, to a degree, but I quickly realized this wasn't Pro One and it in no way produced anywhere near the same results. The end goal for any player is to pocket shots consistently. If you've found something that you feel makes you a better player, by all means, use it. I personally think though, a better approach to explaining your experimentation or findings would be to be explicitly clear it isn't CTE/Pro One but just something you're working with on your own.

I apologize if I came across the wrong way. I am blunt to a fault but I did not intend to hurt feelings or damage any egos. I respect that you're an advocate of the Stan's system and appreciate your willingness to experiment. To be more polite than before, I'm simply proposing that you consider a more appropriate way of posting about it. Thank you.
 
nobcitypool said:
My concern is purely this could potentially confuse some people. There are no gaps with CTE/Pro One, Stan has proven that rather conclusively. Believe it or not, I experimented a bit myself with involving the OB in the sweeps as you described. I could make this work, to a degree, but I quickly realized this wasn't Pro One and it in no way produced anywhere near the same results. The end goal for any player is to pocket shots consistently. If you've found something that you feel makes you a better player, by all means, use it. I personally think though, a better approach to explaining your experimentation or findings would be to be explicitly clear it isn't CTE/Pro One but just something you're working with on your own.

I apologize if I came across the wrong way. I am blunt to a fault but I did not intend to hurt feelings or damage any egos. I respect that you're an advocate of the Stan's system and appreciate your willingness to experiment. To be more polite than before, I'm simply proposing that you consider a more appropriate way of posting about it. Thank you.
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No hard feelings.
 
I get what Jon is trying to say - he's just giving a reference of sorts, or somewhat quantifying, the sweeping motion. I think it's still Pro1, he's just thinking about the sweep in a different manner. If his initial position is Pro1, then however he sweeps to get to the actual shot line, assuming he's making the balls, must be done in a consistent manner and would be equivalent to Stan's move, or Gerry's move, etc. I think everyone sweeps, shuffles their feet, etc. just slightly differently. The key is to make that move consistent.

I learned it from the first DVD, and I know myself I had difficulty trying to adapt to the newer way of describing it. Mostly because there isn't a definite reference, I got it because of my earlier experience but it is hard to teach just from the written word, really something that needs to be seen or shown, just like Stan did in his excellent support videos and also in the newest DVD.

I have just been helping someone with this via PM and email - which is funny, because I don't even use it anymore - but I went through enough study and do know that it works so I can still help explain any confusing aspects to people if they have questions. It is funny, in a way nobcity has it right, once you get it it's not really that complicated, just repetition of movements and learning the visuals and sweeps, and even that's easier than we make it when learning. Our brains just get in the way sometimes...

Looking forward to shooting Jon and comparing notes!
Scott
 
Once your visuals are acquired, your eyes should be vectored straight through the core of the CB before your sweep/pivot. If you focus on parts of the OB during this process, which are likely not on that vector, you risk making a slight adjustment to the correct 180* view of the CB -- even if it's only 2* or 3*.

A good way to practice your method is to NEVER look at the OB at all after you acquire your visual and lock onto the correct 180* view of the CB. Perform the system as prescribed and stoke with a slow to medium speed stroke. Pay close attention to whether or not you tend to overcut or undercut left cuts and overcut or undercut right cuts (the two tendencies can very well be different). Understanding how you miss will tell you exactly what you're doing wrong with your initial acquisition of your visual.

If you take the time to grind through this process and not worry about if you make your shots, but to pay close attention to how you miss, the system will tell you exactly what you're doing wrong. You make the shot based on eye placement. If you stare at OB pieces, you're allowing for weak visuals and make up for that with steering and adjustments.

Here's an old diagram I made years and years ago:
OBC1.jpg


Although there are a zillion ways of acquiring the correct visual, I've always preferred to keep the distance from the OB to my eyes a constant as I find the correct visual. Meaning, I would rotate around the OB and have the CB move - not the other way around and certainly not both at the same time.

All this does is help you eliminate variation in your exact eye placement and help you refine that position faster. Clearly, everyone has their own style and "see it and shoot" is correct. I'm merely sharing how I use the OB when executing a shot -- as a stepping stone to get to my exact eye position with as little variation from shot to shot.

Summary... "eliminate variation" however you can. There might be a carrot peeling systems and you can peel a carrot with a zillion different variations. If you eliminate variation from carrot to carrot, you'll peel carrots faster and better over time. That's my point. It's all about eating your vegetables, kids.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
Once your visuals are acquired, your eyes should be vectored straight through the core of the CB before your sweep/pivot. If you focus on parts of the OB during this process, which are likely not on that vector, you risk making a slight adjustment to the correct 180* view of the CB -- even if it's only 2* or 3*.

A good way to practice your method is to NEVER look at the OB at all after you acquire your visual and lock onto the correct 180* view of the CB. Perform the system as prescribed and stoke with a slow to medium speed stroke. Pay close attention to whether or not you tend to overcut or undercut left cuts and overcut or undercut right cuts (the two tendencies can very well be different). Understanding how you miss will tell you exactly what you're doing wrong with your initial acquisition of your visual.

If you take the time to grind through this process and not worry about if you make your shots, but to pay close attention to how you miss, the system will tell you exactly what you're doing wrong. You make the shot based on eye placement. If you stare at OB pieces, you're allowing for weak visuals and make up for that with steering and adjustments.

Here's an old diagram I made years and years ago:
OBC1.jpg


Although there are a zillion ways of acquiring the correct visual, I've always preferred to keep the distance from the OB to my eyes a constant as I find the correct visual. Meaning, I would rotate around the OB and have the CB move - not the other way around and certainly not both at the same time.

All this does is help you eliminate variation in your exact eye placement and help you refine that position faster. Clearly, everyone has their own style and "see it and shoot" is correct. I'm merely sharing how I use the OB when executing a shot -- as a stepping stone to get to my exact eye position with as little variation from shot to shot.

Summary... "eliminate variation" however you can. There might be a carrot peeling systems and you can peel a carrot with a zillion different variations. If you eliminate variation from carrot to carrot, you'll peel carrots faster and better over time. That's my point. It's all about eating your vegetables, kids.
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I agree. CCB is the primary target but the OB must be in peripheral view during one's sweep to the CB.

Stan Shuffett
 
CTE is all about the VISUAL. Next of huge importance is grip as it relates to a shooting system. Then feet placement as they follow the eyes to the shot line.

Stan Shuffett
 
stan shuffett said:
CTE is all about the VISUAL. Next of huge importance is grip as it relates to a shooting system. Then feet placement as they follow the eyes to the shot line.

Stan Shuffett
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En how... I wish there were more grip threads.

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SpiderWebComm said:
En how... I wish there were more grip threads.

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I am thinking seriously about doing some grip/shooting system videos for YouTube.
I do a lot of visual stuff so I think I will balance it out a little with some grip info that I have fought long and hard to get. IMO there is not enough solid grip info out there.

Stan Shuffett
 
That would be awesome, tnx Stan :)

stan shuffett said:
I am thinking seriously about doing some grip/shooting system videos for YouTube.
I do a lot of visual stuff so I think I will balance it out a little with some grip info that I have fought long and hard to get. IMO there is not enough solid grip info out there.

Stan Shuffett
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