Using too much inside English??

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For some reason, i use a lot of inside English on my medium range shots. I’m always playin position on middle range shots, and i need to get on the right side on the next ball, and i use a little inside or a lot of inside English. Is this a losing proposition? I know its harder to hit a shot with inside, as i do get misses and rattling in the pocket. I know that the natural path is the best way to send the cue ball, but sometimes there is traffic, ect. So i will use inside English, but its very hard to control. 1/4 tip, one tip, one and a1/5 tip, when the shot works its a great shot, but am I relying on it too much to get postition????????

is using inside in the lower % of shots???????? (Just talking about mid range angle shots) do you avoid inside at any cost????
 
judochoke said:
For some reason, i use a lot of inside English on my medium range shots. I’m always playin position on middle range shots, and i need to get on the right side on the next ball, and i use a little inside or a lot of inside English. Is this a losing proposition? I know its harder to hit a shot with inside, as i do get misses and rattling in the pocket. I know that the natural path is the best way to send the cue ball, but sometimes there is traffic, ect. So i will use inside English, but its very hard to control. 1/4 tip, one tip, one and a1/5 tip, when the shot works its a great shot, but am I relying on it too much to get postition????????

is using inside in the lower % of shots???????? (Just talking about mid range angle shots) do you avoid inside at any cost????
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i'd rather have a root-canal with a butterknife than use inside. i only use it when i have to. based on what you've stated i'd say you're addicted to it. may need to join IA(inside anonymous). ;)
 
a) Use as much spin as required to get position
subject to:
b) use as little spin as possible to make the shot.

Which basically puts you in a bind, too much and you blow the shot, too little and you blow the position.
Sometimes this is what the table gives you and there is nothing to be done than "get both".
 
If the shot required to get shape needs inside english, use it. If it doesn't, don't. Try not to be scared off from spinning the ball in any direction. They can all be made at a high rate with practice. The key to making shots at the highest rate, tho, is as stated above.... don't work for shape when you don't have to by spinning the ball unnecessarily...but don't shy away from any type of english when the shot at hand calls for it.
 
judochoke said:
Omg. I’m addictive to inside English😂😂😂😂 too much watching Cjs tapes. I’m using it too much. I will get some help. Find a group meeting. HI, IM JUDOCHOKE, I USE TOO MUCH INSIDE ENGLISH 😂

HELLO JUDO THE CROWD MUTTERS
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Just to sure here, CJ's TOI is not spinning it. It is just using a 'touch' to deflect the cb in order to make the ball and get a deader, flatter ball after contact with ob.
 
Only when I really REALLY need to, same with draw
otherwarse good old follow and stun as much as I can get away with
 
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WobblyStroke said:
If the shot required to get shape needs inside english, use it. If it doesn't, don't. Try not to be scared off from spinning the ball in any direction. They can all be made at a high rate with practice. The key to making shots at the highest rate, tho, is as stated above.... don't work for shape when you don't have to by spinning the ball unnecessarily...but don't shy away from any type of english when the shot at hand calls for it.
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This is spot on, don't be scared to spin the ball. Inside can be tricky to master though.
Alot of these shots are determined, by your timing. You can get more out of the ball, by doing less. If that makes sence.
 
judochoke said:
For some reason, i use a lot of inside English on my medium range shots. I’m always playin position on middle range shots, and i need to get on the right side on the next ball, and i use a little inside or a lot of inside English. Is this a losing proposition? I know its harder to hit a shot with inside, as i do get misses and rattling in the pocket. I know that the natural path is the best way to send the cue ball, but sometimes there is traffic, ect. So i will use inside English, but its very hard to control. 1/4 tip, one tip, one and a1/5 tip, when the shot works its a great shot, but am I relying on it too much to get postition????????

is using inside in the lower % of shots???????? (Just talking about mid range angle shots) do you avoid inside at any cost????
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Being comfortable with inside spin on many shots that come up can give you options that many players are just not very comfortable with. Just make sure you remain comfortable / confident when using both outside spin as well as center ball.

I find myself often choosing to use inside as opposed to center ball or outside even on the game winning ball, when no position is even necessary, as I’m just more confident pocketing certain shots with inside. I’m guessing that’s a bit unusual.
 
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It is really hard to know if you are using "too much" inside spin without watching you play. It would have to be really extreme for us to be able to diagnose from a post on AZB.

If you used no inside then I'd say you're not using enough. If you're using spinning inside for half of your shots and it makes up the majority of your misses then it is too much. Somewhere in the middle is optimal, and that can vary depending on your style and playing conditions and skill set.
 
I will play position for inside purposefully, around the corner pockets for instance. Many times I miss position for centerball to the next shot and have to shoot inside to miss a ball and come straight up the table. These can be nervey under pressure. The only solution I was able to come up with is play better position 😉 and throw out all 15, stay still, shoot all of them with inside( playing for position to another inside English shot) until I quit or get comfortable.
 
I used to be very wary of inside spin so I worked on it exclusively with one shaft until I was finally comfortable. I just switched to a new shaft and am doing the same as I did with my prior shaft. Once I understood how speed and distance affected the cue ball with inside I was a lot more comfortable. The one caveat to all this is inside does seem to make the object ball skid slightly more often, especially in a pool hall where the balls are likely to be dirtier than in a table at someones home.. All in all I am not concerned with inside as long as I make the correct adjustment in aiming to compensate for it. Distance between the cue ball and object ball and speed of the shot necessary for shape seem to be the big factors for me with inside..
 
Hit every shot for whatever it calls for. Inside, outside, upside down, downside up, it doesn't matter.
The easiest part of pool is the game tells you how to play it, the picture, options, are there to see.

As long as you 100% understand the cue ball, and can perform the stroke and speed required to move it where you want, you are good to go. You will understand the picture and options, until then it's a puzzle.
Once you have that the most difficult thing is controlling the ice water running through your veins.

It's all about the cue ball and the stroke, without those 2 ingredients you are shit out of luck.
Learn the cue ball and stroke technique and go play pool the way it was meant to be played.
Everything else is easy to learn, simple stuff.
 
judochoke said:
For some reason, i use a lot of inside English on my medium range shots. I’m always playin position on middle range shots, and i need to get on the right side on the next ball, and i use a little inside or a lot of inside English. Is this a losing proposition? I know its harder to hit a shot with inside, as i do get misses and rattling in the pocket. I know that the natural path is the best way to send the cue ball, but sometimes there is traffic, ect. So i will use inside English, but its very hard to control. 1/4 tip, one tip, one and a1/5 tip, when the shot works its a great shot, but am I relying on it too much to get postition????????

is using inside in the lower % of shots???????? (Just talking about mid range angle shots) do you avoid inside at any cost????
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Pool requires independance of accuracy from control inputs. You might be getting too granular about the english. Try just off center at increasing and diminishing speeds and angles. Then maximum english in the same manner. This will show you the extremes and allow you to work your way inwards as you become more proficient. You can put the fractions in when you know what the controls do.
 
Spin is highly over rated. When you start using center ball axis you will see spin really isn't needed that much.
 
Zerksies said:
Spin is highly over rated. When you start using center ball axis you will see spin really isn't needed that much.
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There's a reason players spin the ball. Speed. When you play that uber dead ball style, the landing is contingent on, you smacked it right. When you play "rail to rail" as Sigel would say, the english propels the ball to its landing at a very predictable pace.
 
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