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I am really interested in the UV cured urethane finish. Any solvent in it or 100% solids? How much can you lay on in a spray? What is the cost of material? Does it give the real wet look? I have some big boy cue MFG's asking about volume pricing. Is there such a thing?

Thanks
 
We have built over 40 uv spray booth systems over the last 5 years if you any questions feel free to call us. if your interested in a system i have many top cue makers using our products that would be glad to give you there option of our system.
lee Malakoff
517 639 3190
 
:)With all due respect. I was under the impression this was a discussion on line forum? Unless you are the inventor and hold all Patent rights I would like to get input from those using it, pros cons and tricks they may have come up with to make it better or failure they learned from to improve. Please note it is appreciated you offered your number but I prefer to hear more from the users. Thanks.:)
 
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Ilike1pocket said:
:)With all due respect. I was under the impression this was a discussion on line forum? Unless you are the inventor and hold all Patent rights I would like to get input from those using it, pros cons and tricks they may have come up with to make it better or failure they learned from to improve. Please note it is appreciated you offered your number but I prefer to hear more from the users. Thanks.:)
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I think maybe's there just a little miscommunication.

I think what Lee was offering was that if you call him he'll provide you with contact information for some cuemakers using his UV system.
Some cuemakers don't want their cuebuilding practices advertised online, so Lee is respecting that.

My advice would be to take Lee up on his offer- call him. He sells the stuff and can probably answer most of your questions. You may not receive many replies on here about UV.

Well, that or you could do some legwork and call UV finishing companies directly to ask about thickness of coat and volume discounts.

Also- try the search feature.

Good luck.

~Beau
 
Ilike1pocket said:
I am really interested in the UV cured urethane finish. Any solvent in it or 100% solids? How much can you lay on in a spray? What is the cost of material? Does it give the real wet look? I have some big boy cue MFG's asking about volume pricing. Is there such a thing?

Thanks
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If I were a "big boy cue MFG" I would be asking someone who was knowledgeable about finishes instead of someone who is going to have to ask someone else.

Lee from Brianna offered you some help but you don't know when you are being shown kindness.

I suggest you take all the help you can get and weed out the bad stuff if you know what the bad stuff is! In a couple of years you will have a fair understanding of finishes.
 
Uv Cure Finish

You can forget volume buying, cue makers use very little compared to the big boys.( Unless you are Viking or Mcdermott) Lee not only sells it, but he uses it, so his offer is a lot more than you would get from most cue makers.
 
Ummmmmm Arnot, I happen to be a in charge of R&D and formulations for the company I own. The answers are, no solvent, VOC free, like looking through glass and $80.00 a gal, $1,200 for UV set up.

In Florida Rich Ruthvan will be selling it.

We are talking a full Aliphatic, not aromatic.

For those with Iso sensitivity we have an Acrylic version 100% Solids with very close to the same physical propertys and within a couple of weeks we will have a free how to Video on YouTube.

By the way Arnot you have seen how I finish a Cue, you used to look at the one Tommy Kennedy played with I made, you were just getting started at the time.:)
 
Ilike1pocket said:
Ummmmmm Arnot, I happen to be a in charge of R&D and formulations for the company I own. The answers are, no solvent, VOC free, like looking through glass and $80.00 a gal, $1,200 for UV set up.

In Florida Rich Ruthvan will be selling it.

We are talking a full Aliphatic, not aromatic.

For those with Iso sensitivity we have an Acrylic version 100% Solids with very close to the same physical propertys and within a couple of weeks we will have a free how to Video on YouTube.

By the way Arnot you have seen how I finish a Cue, you used to look at the one Tommy Kennedy played with I made, you were just getting started at the time.:)
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GREAT!!!
I hope it's not super thick like the usual UV's.
 
Ilike1pocket said:
Ummmmmm Arnot, I happen to be a in charge of R&D and formulations for the company I own. The answers are, no solvent, VOC free, like looking through glass and $80.00 a gal, $1,200 for UV set up.

In Florida Rich Ruthvan will be selling it.

We are talking a full Aliphatic, not aromatic.

For those with Iso sensitivity we have an Acrylic version 100% Solids with very close to the same physical propertys and within a couple of weeks we will have a free how to Video on YouTube.

By the way Arnot you have seen how I finish a Cue, you used to look at the one Tommy Kennedy played with I made, you were just getting started at the time.:)
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If you are so experienced with the systems and coatings just why are you on here asking such basic questions? If you can come up with a UV type finish that is easy to rub out back to it's original shine for 80.00 a gal. and a complete UV system for 1200.00 the throngs will be beating a path to your door. I have found over the years that the 4 UV finishes that I've tried were impossible to bring back to the original shine after rubbing out and although the UV light only cost about 1300 when I purchased it a few years ago, more was needed to be able to use for spraying cues.

Dick
 
Ilike1pocket said:
Ummmmmm Arnot, I happen to be a in charge of R&D and formulations for the company I own. The answers are, no solvent, VOC free, like looking through glass and $80.00 a gal, $1,200 for UV set up.

In Florida Rich Ruthvan will be selling it.

We are talking a full Aliphatic, not aromatic.

For those with Iso sensitivity we have an Acrylic version 100% Solids with very close to the same physical propertys and within a couple of weeks we will have a free how to Video on YouTube.

By the way Arnot you have seen how I finish a Cue, you used to look at the one Tommy Kennedy played with I made, you were just getting started at the time.:)
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Ilike1pocket, seems like you have a motive or objective here against all the other uv products. Thats fine with me since we live in America. I would think that we deserve to know as to whom we are dealling with. I would be happy to try a sample if and when you are ready. Please post the linke to youtube when you are ready.

Jim.
 
Ilike1pocket said:
Ummmmmm Arnot, I happen to be a in charge of R&D and formulations for the company I own. The answers are, no solvent, VOC free, like looking through glass and $80.00 a gal, $1,200 for UV set up.

In Florida Rich Ruthvan will be selling it.

We are talking a full Aliphatic, not aromatic.

For those with Iso sensitivity we have an Acrylic version 100% Solids with very close to the same physical propertys and within a couple of weeks we will have a free how to Video on YouTube.

By the way Arnot you have seen how I finish a Cue, you used to look at the one Tommy Kennedy played with I made, you were just getting started at the time.:)
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I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about for this entire thread. Are you looking for information or are you trying to sell something.

As to looking at a cue you made for Tommy Kennedy many years ago -- I'll be honest with you -- I don't remember any cue I looked at that many years ago.

If I knew who I was seaking with it might help my recollections but you obviously don't want anyone to know who you are.

++++Forgetful Arnot+++++
 
Joey, see, thats what I am talking about, thats input that I am looking for.

On other: I MFG Industrial Coatings and Urethane Foam. MY UV coatings are used on large floor applications so QTs and Gals are not like a large market or profit item nor do I need money.

I still however have a love for "Da Game". Also for the functional art da game is played with.

If you have ever loved it, that love never dies.

Now some of you reading this are thinking I am bashing or hurting Lee and shame on me. I like him. This however was my thread on UV Cure, and this is a discussion group. Had I gone on one of his threads on this then yes, you would be correct, that is not the case though.

I am in hopes more will join in on input as some of you have such as thickness, dullness etc. Pros and cons, how to please more people. One shoe does not fit all feet.:)
 
Ok, the drawbacks of uv are well known. It tends to be too hard, making buffing out a chore. It also ends up on the cue too thick. And it may not stick to cue when dented. Other than that its great. If you could make a product that looks and buffs like auto clear that is not as dangerous or expensive and works, you have a great product. I am looking forward to trying it out.

Jim.
 
Ilike1pocket said:
:)Thanks Jim, the more of this type info I can obtain the better.:)

Tom
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Ok, now I know what direction you are going. You stated $80 a gallon. I couldn't use a gallon in 5 years. What kind of shelf life? Sealer will be a big part of how the uv will work. Most uv clears out there have a gel version of the same uv clear. This is used as a sealer that can be brushed on and wiped into the pores of the cue. Just to let you know I have paid upwards of $120 for a quart of uv clear. It is tough to get in smaller quantities than 1 gallon. I don't mind paying if the product works. If the product works and is better than others, I will make my money back.

Jim.
 
Uv Cure Finish

If you are looking for a wish list, here it is.

No pull back at joint during cure.
Self leveling ( Don't need to rotate cue to level)
Burn- in/ cross link to previous coats instead of mechanical links.
Doesn't need high wattage to cure.
No need for non uv sealer.
Low viscosity pore filler.
Buffs like car coat.
Long term durability.
Water clear.
Not affected by oily woods.(cocobola for one)

Just my wish list. Price of 80.00 per gallon would be great if it had a proper shelf life.

Just to qualify myself. I tried the epoxy based stuff(Epoxy Coatings, the polyester based stuff(Lawrence McFadden and the acrylic based stuff(Unique Products). I have not tried the water based stuff from Van coatings. Right now I like the Unique Products best, but it has room for improvement. Buff out being the largest issue for me.

I'm also willing to try a sample and compare it to existing products.

I really do hope you get something that works!
 
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If you are looking for a wish list, here it is.

No pull back at joint during cure.
Self leveling ( Don't need to rotate cue to level)
Burn- in/ cross link to previous coats instead of mechanical links.
Doesn't need high wattage to cure.
No need for non uv sealer.
Low viscosity pore filler.
Buffs like car coat.
Long term durability.
Water clear.
Not affected by oily woods.(cocobola for one)

Just my wish list. Price of 80.00 per gallon would be great if it had a proper shelf life.

Just to qualify myself. I tried the epoxy based stuff(Epoxy Coatings, the polyester based stuff(Lawrence McFadden and the acrylic based stuff(Unique Products). I have not tried the water based stuff from Van coatings. Right now I like the Unique Products best, but it has room for improvement. Buff out being the largest issue for me.

I'm also willing to try a sample and compare it to existing products.

I really do hope you get something that works!
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Some of your wishes are not attainable I do believe. Self leveling is surely impossible as you are not working on a flat surface hence the Law of Gravity rears his head.

The stuff has no reducers or thinners so it can't "melt" the previous finish to become one. Plus it is so hard.

Some sell a UV sealer but truthfully, I wasn't impressed. The sealer that I use is an epoxy that is sprayed on, dries in about a minute and is ready for the UV coating after one hour.

Although certainly not a low viscosity, after coming up with your own technique for forcing the product into the grain it isn't that hard to fill open grained woods. Black palm usually takes me four coats but that is only over a period of about 10 minutes or so.

Buffing out is the major problem with UV as far as I'm concerned and is it's greatest liability.

Long term durability, I believe, Depends solely on the sealer being used. A sealer must do a number functions besides just keeping the finish from easily soaking into the wood. It must aggressively adhere to all woods, oily and dry. It needs to be clear and it must have a surface texture that what ever finish you desire will aggressively adhere to it. This is the major cause of white spots and such when a cue is bumped. The UV looses adhesion to the sealer or the sealer looses adhesion to the wood.

With all of this being said there really should be ways of making the UV finish a much more user friendly coating for cue makers. There just isn't enough research done for the circumstances that come together for cue makers. Metal rings and metal joints, sharp mating edges at joint, the need to rub out the finish and such. We just don't spend the money on the material for most manufacturers to invest money to accommodate our needs apparently.

Dick
 
:)Boy, all nicely said, great input I mean fantastic.

Dick hit the nail on the head IMO on his last paragrapgh about time and money and no experimenting.

When I was like a hack, wannabe cue maker many moons ago the undernieth of my lathe had every whitches brew available:grin-square:

My company pretty much runs itself today so I can take the time to tweak. The chemistry and raws are getting more high tech all the time. I recently came out with a Spray Urethane Foam that is 90% Soy (Green) on the B side, point being it was never accomplished till this year.

Thank you guys so much for the input, if you have more, bring it on.:)
 
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