Is there a way to fix slate on a barbox that has sagged?
As it is balls hit softly along the short rail roll off an inch or so at either end.
As it is balls hit softly along the short rail roll off an inch or so at either end.
Valley Slate Sag
- Thread starter desmocourtney
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Not unless you put some jack stands under the middle of the table, like it has 6 legs. Shimming the slate to level will prevent you from being able to mount the cushion blocks near the side pockets because the cushion bolt and t nut in the rails will be misaligned, so you won't be able to mount the cushions. Its not the slate that is sagging, its the frame of the table.
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A valley bar table can be off level,sag and roll off in some areas but not others for so many reasons.
Valley put the end braces to prevent the sag in current production. But the problem can still occur due design and the environment the table is in.
I was going to make a video of a old bar table being trashed because of the age but fear valley would sue me so I did not make a video or take pictures of what I thought was bad design, looking at the table closely you can find all kinds of weak areas and see what kinda things happen to the table after all the years of service and in-service play does to the table.
Mostly on older valley tables when you try to fix or repair one thing you just create more problems similar to what RKC spoke of.
You really have to know a lot about the tables design and faults to understand the type of repairs needed to bring a old valley back to reality.... But no one wants to put that kinda money in to a old table and I not to many mechanics want to waste their time on messing with such a headache.
You can talk with glen on a few things you can try to start with but it takes time and much effort to pull it off..
Sometimes you catch it early and removing the access glue from the outer bottom and edges of the slate on the next recover to allow the slate to sit lower on the edges fixes the end rolls.
But if you rail cap is caving in there is not much you can do about it. Do your castings sit flat to the rail cap from frot of casting back to the screw cover of the side of the rail cap? Or do you have a slight drop or gap to the front of casting where it meets the pocket liner? That a good indication of rail cap droop that is not reversible but some times the castings sit pitched up because of the mounting hardware compressing the wood.... And again these issues can have to many faults and troubleshooting them is timely and can cause a bit of frustrations.
Best of luck'
Rob.M
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A valley bar table can be off level,sag and roll off in some areas but not others for so many reasons.
Valley put the end braces to prevent the sag in current production. But the problem can still occur due design and the environment the table is in.
I was going to make a video of a old bar table being trashed because of the age but fear valley would sue me so I did not make a video or take pictures of what I thought was bad design, looking at the table closely you can find all kinds of weak areas and see what kinda things happen to the table after all the years of service and in-service play does to the table.
Mostly on older valley tables when you try to fix or repair one thing you just create more problems similar to what RKC spoke of.
You really have to know a lot about the tables design and faults to understand the type of repairs needed to bring a old valley back to reality.... But no one wants to put that kinda money in to a old table and I not to many mechanics want to waste their time on messing with such a headache.
You can talk with glen on a few things you can try to start with but it takes time and much effort to pull it off..
Sometimes you catch it early and removing the access glue from the outer bottom and edges of the slate on the next recover to allow the slate to sit lower on the edges fixes the end rolls.
But if you rail cap is caving in there is not much you can do about it. Do your castings sit flat to the rail cap from frot of casting back to the screw cover of the side of the rail cap? Or do you have a slight drop or gap to the front of casting where it meets the pocket liner? That a good indication of rail cap droop that is not reversible but some times the castings sit pitched up because of the mounting hardware compressing the wood.... And again these issues can have to many faults and troubleshooting them is timely and can cause a bit of frustrations.
Best of luck'
Rob.M
I'm not a mechanic but this is the easiest fix to help the roll off. Don't forget the glue buildup on top too.
Thanks fellas!