VERY IMPORTANT NEWS - Red Circle OR Blue Circle ???

Cue Balls Are Equipment - Not Conditions!

YOU SAY - Humidity and temperature make just as much of a difference and there is no way to control that everwhere you play so all I can say is get used to different playing conditions and just play. NO EXCUSES!

CueHunter - I agree that you can't control the weather. But you sure can control what equipment you choose to play with. According to your statement, I guess we should all just "Play Off The Wall" as far as our choice of a cue stick.
"I HAVE NEVER NEEDED EXCUSES! - HOWEVER I AM RUNNING A LITTLE SHORT ON VICTIMS"!
 
How about dirty balls vs. polished and waxed balls? They play incredibly differently. In some tournaments the ball sets that will be used are specified in advance, so a word to the wise...

As for humidity and other factors, go into the back room at Chris's in Chicago for the Sunday night tournament. Once thirty or forty people are in there breathing and perspiring and so on, the humidity level goes up, and the balls throw differently, cut differently, the tables slow down, etc. etc. etc. Some of the tables have red circle cue balls, others have blue circle cue balls, some have a cue ball of dubious provenance, etc. etc. My advice: check to see which cue ball is on the table you're going to play, and adapt to it. Find out how fast the table is, fast! Deal with thunky rails... etc. etc. etc...

Cheers!
 
Which cue balls have an orange triangle on it? Is it the same size as the object balls? IMO after cue ball size how clean the equipment is important, the weather/room conditions are more predictable.
 
It Looks Like The Bottom Line Is.........

It looks as though the verdict is in.
I am very pleased with the feedback on my original inquiry as to which Cue Ball is best to play with. I know of nowhere else that a player can get this amount of intelligent, national interest & response from knowledgeable players and enthusiast alike.
If your playing with Aramith Balls, it is probably best to play with a Red Circle although it doesn’t appear to make much difference.
If your playing with Centennial Balls, it is definitely best to play with the Blue Circle Ball as it is the same size & weight as the object balls.
The Red Circle is lighter & smaller than the Blue Circle and therefore is easier to draw and more fun for the novice to play with.
The Blue Circle is however the most reliable choice because it hits the objects balls at the center of their sphere and reflects most consistently off of the cushions.
AS ALWAYS - IT'S YOUR MONEY - DO WHATEVER IS BEST FOR YOU –
I KNOW I WILL!
TY & GL
 
OldHasBeen said:
It looks as though the verdict is in.
I am very pleased with the feedback on my original inquiry as to which Cue Ball is best to play with. I know of nowhere else that a player can get this amount of intelligent, national interest & response from knowledgeable players and enthusiast alike.
If your playing with Aramith Balls, it is probably best to play with a Red Circle although it doesn’t appear to make much difference.
If your playing with Centennial Balls, it is definitely best to play with the Blue Circle Ball as it is the same size & weight as the object balls.
The Red Circle is lighter & smaller than the Blue Circle and therefore is easier to draw and more fun for the novice to play with.
The Blue Circle is however the most reliable choice because it hits the objects balls at the center of their sphere and reflects most consistently off of the cushions.
AS ALWAYS - IT'S YOUR MONEY - DO WHATEVER IS BEST FOR YOU –
I KNOW I WILL!
TY & GL


So....when will you be ordering your new set of Elephant Beautiful Balls? ;)
 
Elephant Balls?

Drivemaker -
I guess that will be after I die and get reincarnated as a Female Elephant!
On second thought, I have had "Rocky Mountain" Oysters and thought they were very good. So I guess You Never Know!
TY & GL
 
OldHasBeen said:
It looks as though the verdict is in.
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The Red Circle is lighter & smaller than the Blue Circle and therefore is easier to draw and more fun for the novice to play with.

(...) ENDQUOTE]


The novice thing isn't the issue at all... Actually, I have NO trouble making the blue ball draw, as my draw works every time, and it's quite powerful. It just so happens the red circle ball draws better, more consistently, for me... And it's a quicker draw too... Have I a stroke? Sure do...

Cheers!
 
OldHasBeen said:
Drivemaker -
I guess that will be after I die and get reincarnated as a Female Elephant!
On second thought, I have had "Rocky Mountain" Oysters and thought they were very good. So I guess You Never Know!
TY & GL[/QUOTE


ROTFLMAO!!!
 
Flex - You said, "The red circle ball draws better - And it's a quicker draw".

I GUESS SO - IT IS LIGHTER & SMALLER!

I agree that you, everyone and I can draw it better, quicker & easier. I'm glad you have a powerful stroke but if you didn't, you would be able to draw the Red Circle better & quicker than the Blue Circle.

The issue is not only the ability to draw the cue ball but also if the size effects the follow, english, banks, Etc., Etc.

There used to be a Yellow Dot used that ANYONE could draw out the door and 3 blocks down the street - BUT - When Follow was used, there was a terrible deflection and delay before the Follow took hold. It was silly even trying to play good pool with it & most players today have never even seen one - for good reason.

Many, Many years ago I was playing in a room outside of Okla City and got beat out of $260 playing $20 Nine Ball with a Yellow Dot.
The next day I went to the local billiard supply and bought a regular cue ball.
Went back into the pool room and asked the fellow to play with it.
He declined!
I offered to spot him the 8 if he played & raised the bet to $40 a game. Got back my $260 & his $380.

USING THE PROPER CUE BALL, (same size & weight as the object balls), CAN & WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE!

TY & GL
 
There are an awful lot of various thoughts on this subject. Most of them legitimate and insightful. My theory is as much as I'd like this to be a perfect world with perfect conditions it just will never happen, there are always variables. If player A plays player B and both are acustom to playing strictly Centennials with Blue circle cue ball and are now matched up in a tournament with Arimiths and Red Circle both players are still dealing with identical conditions and must adapt accordingly. The better you are at adapting to whatever conditions the better player you are bound to be, and as we have all experienced in this wonderful game of pool
"Winner's win. Loser's make excuses"
 
Tom- I did the test!! I placed a Red Circle CB in between 2 Super Aramith Pro OB's up against the rail. Then placed the flat/bottom part of the rack across the top of the balls and with a little pressure rolled them away from the rail...the CB went with them! I did it 3 times to make sure I was doing it correctly, and the CB rolled with them each time.
Same size CB to me!!

Zim
 
I haven't done any tests, but I was at a tournament this weekend and they were using a blue dot cue ball. I went to draw it back about two feet. It came back about six inches. Even considering I could have been in error by six inches one way or the other, it was still a big difference. It doesn't matter to me why (weight or diameter). I'm sure glad I discovered this during practice.

Doesn't matter to me which one used, but it should be one or the other. There should be a standard. I have enough trouble with other aspects of the game let along trying to remember which kind of que ball is on the table.
 
Zims Rack said:
Tom- I did the test!! I placed a Red Circle CB in between 2 Super Aramith Pro OB's up against the rail. Then placed the flat/bottom part of the rack across the top of the balls and with a little pressure rolled them away from the rail...the CB went with them! I did it 3 times to make sure I was doing it correctly, and the CB rolled with them each time.
Same size CB to me!!

Zim


Zim - Please measure (my way) a THIN lined Blue Circle Cue Ball (that comes with a set of Centennials) against two other Centennial object balls. THEY WILL LEAVE THE RAIL AT THE SAME TIME.
Now measure the Red Circle Cue Ball (using the same Centennial object balls) the exact same way!

???---SEE THE DIFFERENCE---???

THE RED CIRCLE WILL BE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE IT IS SMALLER!

I also think I have found out WHY the Red Circle Cue Ball became so popular!
I just priced the Blue Circle Cue Ball from two Brunswick dealers and it cost $20 - $24 per Cue Ball.
I am now going to price the Red Circle Cue Ball and won't be a bit surprised if it comes back being a lot CHEAPER!
IF so, it will be just as I thought - The CHEAPER Red Circle became so popular because of cost and NOT Quality!
Players will pay big $$$ for Cue Sticks that don't improve their game but will improve their ego & stature, but won't demand that a standard Cue Ball be used when playing important & or Hi$ games.
Kevin - As far as excuses, I'm not making any or need any.
I simply play only with a matched set of Centennial Balls, including a Blue Circle Cue Ball. - WANNA PLAY?
TY & GL
 
The red circle use to be several dollars cheaper. I haven't priced one in a while but thats exactly why so many were sold. I think that Red circle wears out faster as well.

Rod
 
There is more than one manufacturer of red circle cueballs. Two of them are Brunswick and, I think, Aramith. I hear that the former is widely used on the tour.
 
Tables differ. Conditions differ. Object balls and cue balls differ. All this is just reality. We have to deal with reality and that's that. I don't think it's a problem. It's just a situation that does exist and must be dealt with.
 
SnakebyteXX said:
In addition according to Saluc they make all their cue balls from the same phenolic resin EXCEPT the infamous red circle cue ball which is made from 'carom material' (a phenolic resin recipe designed specifically for carom balls'. The red circle cue balls tend to be somewhat lighter and (possibly no one seems to know for sure) more resilient because of this difference in materials used during the manufacturing process. It has been speculated that the extra lively nature of the red circle cue ball is due to these differences in how they are made.

On Fast Larry's advice, I went out and plunked down a sawbuck for a Super Aramith Pro Cue Ball, and set it up to be fast as greased lightening: First I used Meguiar's Carnauba Wax on it, and let it dry, rubbed the stuff off, polished it, then soaked the thing in WD-40 overnight, and wiped it dry. Slippery sucker. Want that baby to zing all over the place. Took it to a place nearby that has a free 9 foot Gold Crown and that had beat up old balls, some call 'em moon rocks, and we played with my Super Aramith. Wow..... drew and followed and zinged all over the place. Cool. Everybody loved it, except the best stick who said it threw him off, so after about a month when he showed up and was on the table as the winner he'd replace it with the moon rock.

Later I started playing in a local pool hall that has several different sets of balls (Go figure...) They have a set of Centennials with a red circle ball on the very best table; the other tables, or most of them anyways, have Aramith Premiers with a blue circle ball. They also have a few extra red circle balls. Well, I went out and bought a used set of Centennials at Chris's in Chicago, and insisted I get a red circle ball with the set. They obliged me, even though they told me they had to buy the red circle balls separately, and they cost them $15 each. My whole set of used Centennials set me back the incredible sum of $40. Not a bad deal, eh?

I used to bring my balls with me whereever I went to shoot, for consistency's sake, but now I first check and see if they have a set of Centennials to use before I show up with them. Bringing them in with me attracts a lot of attention, which is fine, as the better players assume you're more serious and thus may get a game with them more easily. But most of the time I'll make do with the equipment on the table, and do my best to adjust to the changing conditions. That's the REAL WORLD in pool, and no rule making body will be able to impose the purchase of a particular set of balls on anyone, there are so many out there, so just deal with it...

Why do the Super Aramith's and the Red Circle balls draw better? Higher polish on the ball, I think. The Super Aramith's draw just fine. However the blue circle ball, being heavier and of a lower degree of polish, requires a different stroke for drawing, other things being equal. That stroke will often have to either be shot harder or lower on the ball, thus increasing problems of squirt and deflection, no doubt, especially if shot with english. Also, for fine touch draws when playing a safety, what can happen with the blue circle is that the object ball will be hit further. No way around it. I don't prefer the red circle balls or Super Aramith more than the blue circle because of how long I've been playing (a little over a year) but because of HOW it plays. I think it plays better... JMHO

Flex
 
Brunswick Centennial Premiums

I believe you can go to the Brunswick site and find the closest dealer to you. That is the best way to get NEW current balls. Be careful if you buy on eBay, as they may not be new & current.
This huge controversy over Blue Circle vs. Red Circle had educated me on some important facts.
THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT RED CIRCLE CUE BALLS IN CIRCULATION. THEY ARE MADE AND COPIED BY MANY DIFFERENT COMPANIES. THE ONLY GOOD AND TRUE RED CIRCLES COME WITH THE ARAMITH BALLS.
There are different Blue Circle Balls also. The true & good blue circle is a very clear and crisp circle. This is what you will get with NEW & CURRENT Brunswick Centennial Premiums. There are some different blue circles that the circle is blurred and not a crisp line. They aren't worth a cold bottle of piss.

TY & GL
 
Thanks OldHasBeen. I went to my local Billiards store and they had a set of each(Super Aramith Pros and Brunswick Centennials) on a couple of tables in the store. I played them and didn't notice any real difference in each set. I liked the look of the Brunswick Centennials a little more but after talking to the salesman he told me that the the balls are exactly the same(besides the cuball), and when you buy the Bruswick balls, you are just paying 30 bucks more for the Brunswick name. Super Aramith Pros were 199, Centennials were 229.

So I searched the net and found an awesome deal on some Super Aramith Pros. I got a brand new set at Ozone Billiards for 126.30 with a online code, and free shipping

Here is the link, for anyone interested, it's the best deal I could find, and I looked forever. The code for the 5 % discount was "mem03"
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/proserbalset1.html
 
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