Video - 2007 Asian English Billiards Championship Final

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2007 Asian English Billiards Championship Final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEF_lp66G5k
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What are the rules to this game? I take it that is a 12 foot snooker table and it is a combination of carom and snooker.
 
can somebody explain the rules to this game or what the object is? I think i figured it out but I just want to make sure.

Thanks
 
The rules are: One player is the white ball, the other is the yellow ball. You get 2 points for scratching of your opponents ball, you get 3 for scratching off of the red ball. You get three points for potting the red ball (which comes back up on the black spot) and you get two for potting your opponnents ball. No one likes to pot the other ball because it doesn't come back up, thus limiting your options severly. The reason it limits you is because you also get 2 points every time you get a carom. Kinda of like 3 cushion, but with out needing to hit three cushions - or any cushion :p .
After you've scratched the white (or yellow if that's what you are) comes back onto the table and you can place it anywhere in the D. You HAVE to shoot up table towards the black spot, if you shot down table through the balk it is a foul and you give your opponent 2 points. I've only played this once before and my highest break was only 18 :p .
 
This is the best quality video of English billiards I've seen on Youtube to date. Most of the other stuff is poor quality handheld footage shot by spectators. It's a bit daft playing a series of races to 100 though. It's a bit like playing darts to 180. A good player can easily get it in one turn. I'd much prefer to see a proper long race to 1500, or at least the highest score after a couple of timed sessions.

I pretty much knew it would be Peter Gilchrist. He's resident in Singapore now where he coaches. Interesting to see a Thai in the final. It's usually India that provide the only serious opposition.

Russel, Gilchrist, Causier and Shutt are all world champions at this game and all from the same English town. That's what you can achieve when you have structured training for boys as young as 8.

Boro Nut
 
crappoolguy said:
The rules are: .....
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That's about it, and there are limitations on the number of consecutive shots you can play to keep it varied. The really big breaks are made around the red spot: - pot red - cannon - pot red - ad infinitum..

Boro Nut
 
Scaramouche said:
2007 Asian English Billiards Championship Final
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I was a little confused by the final few points in part 20. It seemed that the winner got to 101 on the in-off to the top pocket but then played another in-off to the middle pocket. Did he play for a few extra points in case there was a scoring mistake? Or do they go to something other than 100?
 
Boro Nut said:
... It's a bit daft playing a series of races to 100 though. It's a bit like playing darts to 180. A good player can easily get it in one turn. ...
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Well, yes, but, I think the high break was something like 60. There was very little precision top-of-the-table play -- perhaps no more than 10 consecutive shots around the spot. Was the play below the current championship level, or do they not play as well as Lindrum any more? Does any one use nursery cannons these days?
 
Bob Jewett said:
Well, yes, but, I think the high break was something like 60. There was very little precision top-of-the-table play -- perhaps no more than 10 consecutive shots around the spot. Was the play below the current championship level, or do they not play as well as Lindrum any more? Does any one use nursery cannons these days?
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That what I was wondering. I've read all these articles about players in the 1920's and 30's running hundreds and thousands of points, but these guys can't seem to get past sixty or seventy.
 
I watched some Korean professionals at a tournament a few months ago. They played to fewer than 100 points also. Noone made any hundred point breaks, or anything close. The best I saw was maybe (don't know how many points, I didn't realize scoring could be more than 1 point at a time) 5 consecutive shots. Actually, it didn't look like they were scoring more than one point at a time, THOUGH I WASN'T TRACKING THE SCORING CLOSELY. One of the players was (is) the #1 ranked Korean English billiards player, also. That may be or may not be indicative of championship play. He is a friend of mine and--though we can't speak very well--I gather he doesn't fair that well internationally.

Bob, I don't know what nursery cannons are, but when I have kids I plan to keep them away from large caliber munitions until they are at least out of the nursery, and possibly until later in grade school!
 
Bob Jewett said:
I was a little confused by the final few points in part 20. It seemed that the winner got to 101 on the in-off to the top pocket but then played another in-off to the middle pocket. Did he play for a few extra points in case there was a scoring mistake? Or do they go to something other than 100?
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He was on 74 needing 26 to win. The penultimate shot put him on 25, and the in-off red made it 28 unfinished.

Boro Nut
 
Bob Jewett said:
Well, yes, but, I think the high break was something like 60. There was very little precision top-of-the-table play -- perhaps no more than 10 consecutive shots around the spot. Was the play below the current championship level, or do they not play as well as Lindrum any more? Does any one use nursery cannons these days?
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The answer is yes, that is pretty low, you'd expect to see at least that in our local league every week, which are races to 120. All the top players there post 120+ unfinished breaks over a season. And the scoring rate was quite slow. I believe part of that was due to it being such a short race - one mistake and it's over. To put things in perspective, the local boys billiards league here play 30 minutes timed games, and the record break used to be 350+. I believe it's higher now. Thousand+ breaks are still made by the top players though when the format allows.

It's unfair to compare anyone to Lindrum, who has a good claim to be the greatest cueist ever. But he played under very different (favourable) conditions, and wouldn't have posted the sort of breaks he did under the current rules.

The other factor is that I suspect this was set up as a championship snooker table. That is not particularly conducive to good billiards, the cushions are far too fast making it harder to keep the balls together or prevent losing one to baulk after a forced in-off. Watching a few pots to the middle it also appears the nap was shaved (ie no drift), another definite no-no for billiards, which is all about spinning balls and subtle curves. Potting is all straight lines and crash-bang-wallop. I noticed the final miss by the Thai was a long in-off from a red out in the open in the centre of the table. I would top myself if I missed one of those. I can't tell you how difficult potting the red would be (although the pros make it look easy). You have absolutely no margin of error. But the in-off is a doddle for anyone with an eye for the half ball angle, which all billiards players have engraved on the back of their skull.

And no, you never see a long run of nursery cannons in English Billiards, though I've seen the technique demonstrated in exhibitions. You'll end up too far out of position when your limitation is up, so as soon as a chance to establish more productive position or top-of-the-table appears they will take it, and end the sequence after only a few cannons. Similarly touching ball is an automatic re-spot nowadays.

Boro Nut
 
Boro Nut said:
... It's unfair to compare anyone to Lindrum, who has a good claim to be the greatest cueist ever. ...

I noticed the final miss by the Thai was a long in-off from a red out in the open in the centre of the table. I would top myself if I missed one of those.

And no, you never see a long run of nursery cannons in English Billiards, though I've seen the technique demonstrated in exhibitions. You'll end up too far out of position when your limitation is up, so as soon as a chance to establish more productive position or top-of-the-table appears they will take it, and end the sequence after only a few cannons. Similarly touching ball is an automatic re-spot nowadays.

Boro Nut
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I was kidding about Lindrum.

I figured that the Thai missed so badly from a kick.

As for being out of position at the limitation on cannons, it looked to me like there were several times when a series of nursery cannons could have walked the balls to the middle of the top cushion prior to setting red up for a pot. Is that not a standard way to get object white to the middle of the top cushion? It does take a special skill set to play a lot of cannons, but after seeing top carom players take the balls around the table a couple of times, I would think that any good EB player should be able to get 15 cannons along half the top cushion, and in the match shown, 30 points was well worth having.
 
Boro Nut said:
He was on 74 needing 26 to win. The penultimate shot put him on 25, and the in-off red made it 28 unfinished.

Boro Nut
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I guess the visual score was broken, then. (I was without audio.) The final shots were:

on 86 pot red
89 cannon
91 cannon
93 red
96 cannon
98 in-off red to top pocket
101 in-off red to middle pocket for 104 total
 
Bob Jewett said:
I guess the visual score was broken, then. (I was without audio.) The final shots were:

on 86 pot red
89 cannon
91 cannon
93 red
96 cannon
98 in-off red to top pocket
101 in-off red to middle pocket for 104 total
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I hadn't noticed, it goes wrong right at the beginning if you watch carefully.

With the score on 74 he scores in-of red three, but the scoreboard first shows 76, pauses, then corrects to 77.
It cuts to a close up of his face.
But as he plays his next shot (a cannon) it's already showing 79, two points too many. Whoops!
Realising his mistake too late, the scorer compounds it by not adding the penultimate in-off red to the score when it reads 98. It also explains the isolated clap when he scored it - someone thought he had won - probably the bloke cocking up the scoreboard.
Luckilly the player, the ref, and commentators were oblivious to what was appearing on screen, and got the scoring exactly right.

Boro Nut
 
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crappoolguy said:
The rules are: One player is the white ball, the other is the yellow ball. You get 2 points for scratching of your opponents ball, you get 3 for scratching off of the red ball. You get three points for potting the red ball (which comes back up on the black spot) and you get two for potting your opponnents ball. No one likes to pot the other ball because it doesn't come back up, thus limiting your options severly. The reason it limits you is because you also get 2 points every time you get a carom. Kinda of like 3 cushion, but with out needing to hit three cushions - or any cushion :p .
After you've scratched the white (or yellow if that's what you are) comes back onto the table and you can place it anywhere in the D. You HAVE to shoot up table towards the black spot, if you shot down table through the balk it is a foul and you give your opponent 2 points. I've only played this once before and my highest break was only 18 :p .
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Not bad for a 14 yr old kid who first picked up a cue 3 months ago.
 
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