wanted- Gilbert break jump
- Thread starter enzo
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Hello enzo,
I am supposed to be getting a 6 point cocobolo into maple cue this week. They are similar to the jump breaks on cue addicts but with 6 points rather than 4 points. The buttsleeve will have a burl piece and small piece of black phenolic as well. The rings are southwest style just as most of his are. I will pm you as soon as it arrives in the mail and be more than happy to send pictures as well. Trav D.
I am supposed to be getting a 6 point cocobolo into maple cue this week. They are similar to the jump breaks on cue addicts but with 6 points rather than 4 points. The buttsleeve will have a burl piece and small piece of black phenolic as well. The rings are southwest style just as most of his are. I will pm you as soon as it arrives in the mail and be more than happy to send pictures as well. Trav D.
I have a tulipwood Gilbert j/b, like new with maybe 20 minutes of play, Moori III medium tip, weighs 18.8 ounces.
Email me at ugotda7@hotmail.com if interested.
Email me at ugotda7@hotmail.com if interested.
raemondo said:
Yes, it is wrapless.
18.8 from 19.0 feels about 0.2 ounces different to me, sorry, couldn't resist. 0.2 ounces is such a small variation that I doubt anybody could accurately feel a difference. In my opinion, how a cue is balanced is more of a factor in the feel of a cue than a few tenths of an ounce in weight variation.
I have been playing with a rosewood Gilbert j/b for close to two years despite having many other well known custom cues to choose from. Without a doubt, for the money they are the best cue out there. You simply cannot go wrong with them.
UGOTDA7 said:
Thanks UGOTDA7, I was thinking the same thing about the weight thing. I still asked it though because I have never gotten the chance to compare a 19.0 and 18.8.
Sadly, if not for my sweaty palms, I would get the J/B from you in a heartbeat. Good luck with the sale.
enzo said:
Hmm IMO a lighter cue would break better, but not necessarily jump better. My sledge is about 17.0 oz and I don't like the way it jumps, but my Jacoby has a slightly different weight distribution --- it is lighter at the front, and this one jumps effortlessly. Moreover, I have heard from many Gilbert J/B users that they don't like the way it jumps.
The 0.2 oz I was asking cos I'm thinking of buying a cue that's 0.2 oz heavier than what I have, and I wasn't sure if the difference was negligible or not.
raemondo said:
yeah,i agree with the statement about rear weighted cues jumping better. but all things being equal, don't you feel a lighter cue jumps better?
surprised to hear that people don't like gilberts jumping ability. was this relative to phenolic tipped cues you think??
i think its almost humanly impossible to differentiate between 2 cues with a .2 oz difference. so, imo it is negligible.
hello all.. i would like to add my .02 ounces.. errr.. cents..
anyways.. two years ago at Valley forge i bought a pete omen breaker from pete himself.. which BTW , i love it.. i had a sledge hammer b4 that and it broke good but one of my friends cracked the tip, My Gulyassy fixed for free but it was just different after that. so i got rid of it.. it was nice.. natural color with wrap.. it was actually one of the first 10 mike ever made.. but alas.. it had to go..lol..
anyways.. when i bought my pete omen (yes i know its really Ohman) , to make a long story short.. i picked out the one i wanted.. its nice.. has a bacote lower section.. nice rings.. i always used a lighter break cue.. usually the 18 ouncers.. but when i broke with the omen, it broke great.. just didnt feel right, so while i was there, they kept rasing the weight up .5 ounces at a time.. all the way till i got it to a 19.5 and then it really felt fantastic.. it broke great when the weight was low.. but the follow through and how the cue ball came off the cue didnt feel right at all.. untill i got it to the 19.5 and then everything felt perfect.. so i would say if you have that chance, try it first.. i think the wieght all depends on the particular cue.. and as far and weight and jumping goes.. i am not sure.. but the omen has the longer jumper section so it makes it easier to control and whatnot.. also.. i think because it is so long it may be legal in alot of tournaments that dont allow jump cues..
good luck finding the right one.. i recomend pete's cues highly and he is a great guy to deal with..
chris
anyways.. two years ago at Valley forge i bought a pete omen breaker from pete himself.. which BTW , i love it.. i had a sledge hammer b4 that and it broke good but one of my friends cracked the tip, My Gulyassy fixed for free but it was just different after that. so i got rid of it.. it was nice.. natural color with wrap.. it was actually one of the first 10 mike ever made.. but alas.. it had to go..lol..
anyways.. when i bought my pete omen (yes i know its really Ohman) , to make a long story short.. i picked out the one i wanted.. its nice.. has a bacote lower section.. nice rings.. i always used a lighter break cue.. usually the 18 ouncers.. but when i broke with the omen, it broke great.. just didnt feel right, so while i was there, they kept rasing the weight up .5 ounces at a time.. all the way till i got it to a 19.5 and then it really felt fantastic.. it broke great when the weight was low.. but the follow through and how the cue ball came off the cue didnt feel right at all.. untill i got it to the 19.5 and then everything felt perfect.. so i would say if you have that chance, try it first.. i think the wieght all depends on the particular cue.. and as far and weight and jumping goes.. i am not sure.. but the omen has the longer jumper section so it makes it easier to control and whatnot.. also.. i think because it is so long it may be legal in alot of tournaments that dont allow jump cues..
good luck finding the right one.. i recomend pete's cues highly and he is a great guy to deal with..
chris
enzo said:
I'm no jump expert, but I think it depends on the method you employ in jumping. I guess a lighter cue will really help in a dart stroke but I don't know how good a light cue will be for pendulum jumping a far shot. I see in your next post that you are intending to use the full cue to jump --- IMO this totally changes things and I guess you would be right in getting a lighter FULL cue to jump.
enzo said:
As far as I know, Gilbert does not stock phenolic tips on his J/Bs. I believe they are water buffalo....but some of them have other tips on. I think the phenolic tip thing is popular cos of its breaking ability, I dunno if a cue jumps better with a phenolic tip. I don't think my Jacoby is phenolic; it takes chalk really well.
If you're looking for a full cue that jumps well, I think you might wanna try the Stinger. I've just been hearing that it jumps better as a full cue than a jump cue. The gilbert on this forum seems to be more popular as a playing cue rather than a J/B cue.
Also, you should check out cueaddicts.com if you are interested in gilberts, they have a ton of them and a really good relationship with Andy himself.
raemondo said:
thanks for the post rae,
i'm looking for a cue with a leather tip. stingers have leather tips now i take it?
i realize gilberts come with leather tips, what i meant was do the people who don't like gilberts for jumping, do they think they jump worse than cues with phenolic tips, or just jump worse in general (imo, phenolic tips aid greatly in jumping).
i appreciate all the help everybody, would love to hear more. ideally, i would like to hit with a huge assortment of jb cues, it just seems almost impossible to do this for me. I want to get a cue that breaks fairly good, but my main concern is that it jumps very well, for me, i would put the jumping importance of my desired cue at an 8 and the break performance at a 2. because, imo, if you're hitting center ball and breaking good, the cue will have very little to do with the equation, whereas with jumping, the cue is a huge part of the equation no matter how good (or bad) you are jumping.
enzo said:
If your 2 conditions are leather tip and jumpability, I think the stinger's for you. The Gilbert would be great if you mean to use it as a playing cue. Ask around and see what others have to say. Also read through the old threads about Stingers, that will help too.
I am of a different opinion about the phenolic J/B, I like them like a freight train, like my sledgehammer. I think it really helps when you spread the balls, gives you confidence, and easy rack, and momentum. Well, to each his own!