Warm-up strokes and eye routine

birdy

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Hello,

I think that warm-up strokes and eye routine are a very important part of the pre-shot routine that is not to much discussed.
I have been playing pool at least 15 hours/week for the last 2-3 years. I like the game very much, I'm a real pool addict. My best performance is 3 consecutive break&run in 8-ball.

My biggest problem is this part of the pre-shout routine. I tryed everything, I watched hundreds of pros playing. It seems that nothing works for me. When I remember of this problem I play very very bad, like a beginner, I miss easy shots and I can't control the white ball.

I think the problem is that i can't concentrate at so much things all at once:
1. warm-up strokes
2. eye movement correlated with the warm-up strokes.
3. focus on the contact point on the object ball
4. positional play: cueball speed and the type of effect.
When I'm thinking at all this things my brain blocks and I can't shoot right any ball. I know that warm-up strokes and eye movement must be automatic and subconscious
I tryed all methods:
a. to alternate the eye movement from cueball to object ball ( when the cue moves forward you look at the cueball and when you move it backward you look at the object ball). The problem with this system is that I can’t focus and I get a headake suddenly.
b. looking just at the cueball when you are doing the warm-up strokes, because if you look at the object ball is a big risk to make a fault. This method doesn’t work because when I finish the warm up strokes I need some time to focus on the object ball with the cue paused at the cueball to much.

I found just 1 solution for my problem: to eliminate the warm-up strokes and the eye movement. In this way is very easy to focus on the object ball, I make all types of shots , no matter how hard they are, and my positional play is much better. I look at the cueball for a second just first when I put my bridge hand on the table, after that I just focus on the object ball without moving my eyes on the cueball anymore. I do very short warm-ups because you can’t keep the cue still without moving a little. I watched a lot of snooker players too and I discovered that there are a lot of them who don’t use warm up strokes, or they do little moves with the tip near the cueball. I think if you put your chin on the cue is very hard to move your eyes from cueball to object ball. That’s way in pool where 95% of players do warm-up stokes they don’t put their chins on the cue and have a upper stance. I like to play with the chin on the cue because I feel the shots better and I’m more conffident. If you have a upper stance is impossible to shoot right if you don’t use warm-up strokes.

I want you to commentate my post and tell me if my thinking is wrong or not and if there is someone with the same probleme like mine. Also tell us what method to you use for this part of the pre-shot routine (warm-up strokes and eye movement) and if you have an upper stance or if you get very low like snooker players with the cue touching the chin.

Thanks.
 
I keep my eyes on the cue ball during warm-up strokes. If I need to look up to check my line of aim, I stop moving the cue, check my line, then come back to the cue ball. When I am confident with my set-up, I stop the cue close to the cue ball, let my eyes lock in on my target, draw back, pause, and then finish the stroke with my eyes on the target.
Set-Pause-Finish/Freeze
Steve
 
pooltchr said:
I keep my eyes on the cue ball during warm-up strokes. If I need to look up to check my line of aim, I stop moving the cue, check my line, then come back to the cue ball. When I am confident with my set-up, I stop the cue close to the cue ball, let my eyes lock in on my target, draw back, pause, and then finish the stroke with my eyes on the target.
Set-Pause-Finish/Freeze
Steve


That's odd, that's exactly how I try to do it...;)

Banger McCue
 
Try playing some without any warm-up strokes. You'll soon find yourself lining up perfectly as you get down on the ball. I know I've seen Sambajon take shots with no pre-strokes.
 
I think you're focusing to hard on fundamentals that it ends up sharking you to the point where it screws up your shot...you need to just let it flow naturally, so to speak...you have to trust your instincts after a while...;)
 
pooltchr said:
I keep my eyes on the cue ball during warm-up strokes. If I need to look up to check my line of aim, I stop moving the cue, check my line, then come back to the cue ball. When I am confident with my set-up, I stop the cue close to the cue ball, let my eyes lock in on my target, draw back, pause, and then finish the stroke with my eyes on the target.
Set-Pause-Finish/Freeze
Steve

Yeah, I'm the same way, at least for the past 48 hours since my lesson with Scott Lee. Coincidence? ;)

For the OP, I don't think "no eye movement" is going to be a long-term solution. A lot of times when you're in a slump, any little change that takes your mind off of missing can seem like a cure-all solution. I would suggest that you try Steve's method here. Studies have shown that moving your eyes from target to target (CB to OB) rapidly is not a good way for your brain to absorb visual information, and that for your eyes to really help you, you need to keep them focused on one spot for 2 seconds or more at a time.

So I look at the OB while getting into my stance for alignment purposes, then at the CB to find my tip placement, then warm-up strokes looking at the CB like Steve said, stop with my tip at address, look back at the OB, and if the line looks right, draw back and shoot. If the line doesn't look right when I look back at the OB, I make an adjustment and go back to warm-up strokes with eyes on the CB.

I'm convinced this is a good method. All it takes is a little focused practice to ingrain this routine and make it automatic. I'm told it helps a lot to say the steps out loud as you're doing them. Also, practice by shooting a very simple stop-shot, or even shooting the CB straight into a pocket, so you can concentrate on the routine and not have to devote any focus to accuracy or position play. Once the routine feels natural and you've "trained" yourself to follow it, then use it in more game-like shots and situations.

All this is basically regurgitated straight from Scott Lee, because a good portion of our lesson was focused on solid routines for eye pattern, warm-up stroke, and final stroke. Thanks, Scott!

-Andrew
 
ive played with eye patterns some after first being introduced to them at poolschool. Ive found what works best for me is
1) after getting my aimpoint i will bring the cue down on the table with my it already in my bridge, and i bring it down directly in line with the cue and object ball how im going to shoot it.
2)slide the cue up to the cueball, and just hold it there while i make sure of my aim
3) take 1 or 2 long warmup strokes to feel the groove, then ill narrow it down and start taking a few quick mini-strokes while my eyes are darting back and forth making sure everything is like i want it.
4)slow back and shoot.
The ministrokes really seem to help me get my aim dead on, the first pro i saw do this was Chang, when he played pagulyon (sp) in the world championships back in 02 or 03. CHang almost exclusively uses the tiny ministrokes, and after watching him in that match i think i picked it up. The only danger to it ive found is you can end up with a punchy stroke that doesnt flow or follow thru if you arent careful, which is why i throw in a few long full strokes in my warmup.
 
Andrew, it's not much of a coincidence...Scott, Randy and myself, along with several other instructors (Caneman...we miss you!) teach together when the opportunity presents itself. We share ideas, and learn from each other. We try to teach only things that we have proven to ourselves to be accurate, and the best methods we can find.

Did he show you "Hugo"?

Steve
 
pooltchr said:
I keep my eyes on the cue ball during warm-up strokes. If I need to look up to check my line of aim, I stop moving the cue, check my line, then come back to the cue ball. When I am confident with my set-up, I stop the cue close to the cue ball, let my eyes lock in on my target, draw back, pause, and then finish the stroke with my eyes on the target.
Set-Pause-Finish/Freeze
Steve

I tryed this routine and it's working good. I think my problem was not looking on the cue ball while doing the warm-up strokes. Thanks a lot!
Any more tips?
 
My pre shot routine goes a little something like this.

If the shot is a cut to the right i get behind the cueball and line it up with the objectball in a direct straight line while standing. With my left leg in line with this line i keep that leg locked and step the right with my right foot, and get over the cueball. I look at the cueball and give a one or two warm up strokes, then my eyes shift to the objectball. I give a few warm up strokes while looking at the aim point but i also i can see my warm up strokes with my periphal vision and i can tell if its straight or not. With the cue locked and still at the cueball and my eyes still on the objectball and begin my warm up stroke slowly pulling back then i shift my eyes to the cueball and finish my warm up stroke. Pause, look and set on the cueball, pull back and i still see this with my periphal vision, Pause at the backstroke and deliver with a nyce smooth fluid stroke. I do not get up or move my bridge hand, but keep it there and do one more final warm up stroke still down. This gives me a good habit of staying down.

So when my eyes are aiming at the objectball i still keep an eye on the cueball.
 
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