Was I wrong to give him the game

[straybullet]

I was playing in a tournament one time, and this guy runs the balls down to the 9 ball. The 9 ball is like 4-5 inches away from the pocket, its a dead shot, and instead of shooting it, he looks at me, nods (I said nothing to him at all, I basically ignored him waiting for him to shoot the 9), and then he just taps the 9 with his cue as if I conceded the game to him. Other people saw what happened, we argued, but the end result was that the game was not over, and when he tapped the 9, it was a foul and it was my shot. He kicked and screamed and snorted fire out of his nose and wanted the game to be played over (what a friggin crybaby!)... moral of the story is... if you are shooting... the game doesn't end when you get position on the 9 ball; the game ends when the 9 ball hits the bottom of the pocket. The same rules apply to your opponent. There have been a lot of times when I have seen people miss the easiest shots, or they miscue, or they get nervous. I've missed balls that are hanging on the lip of the pocket. That happens to everybody (I think ). Anyway...if they are going to win, make them earn it. You should not be there to do them any favors, you should be there trying to win. You won't win if you keep giving games away.

 

[rackmsuckr]

Hi Linda... Yeah, the tourney was there. Masa was my first draw. Come to think of it, now that you mention it, I think another reason I concede may be because I don't to be laughed at, either... Oh well, let them laugh. I'll force them to keep their concentration on the last ball

Who's Timmy?

Timmy Tweedell, our ugly red-headed stepchild. He is moving back to Portland, but he is a great player. Was JD's partner for a long time. It's funny that it was Masa. When we used to go to that tournament, I drew Masa a couple times first round and put him over on the loser's. I told Mike I was the gatekeeper, because it enabled him to win those tournaments. But did I get a jelly roll? Nooooooo!

Also, it is never over til it's over. Even after the 9ball goes down! I was in a pro tournament and Darlene Stinson scratches on the 9. You can't concede in the pros, so she spots the 9 for the opponent, who takes ball in hand and shoots it from the spot into the corner. She makes it with quite a hard draw stroke as if to say, "There, take that!" Darlene gets up to rack and is putting the rack on the table when lo and behold, whitey scratches in the side!!! So, make them all shoot them. Too bad Darlene had already conceded. lol

 

[Tbeaux]

Without making judgements, here is a quote from the late great Vince Lombardi.

"Winners NEVER quit and quiters NEVER win"

I don't ever recall any of his teams quitting in the fourth quarter when they were losing. Admittedly it would have been a rare occurance for them to be losing. Some will say it's not quitting, that it's conceding defeat and is the "good sport" thing to do. It's still quitting.

Terry<Thinks there IS one exception. Can you guess what it is?
Hint- Adrian!....Adrian!

 

[X Breaker]

I think you should make your opponent shot the nine. But if you let them shoot a nine in one game and then give it to them on another, they may say you are sharking them.
I prefer my opponent letting me shoot the nine.

Richard

 

[sheaprek]

Look at it this way

When you are playing a match you are playing the table, the player, and yourself.

When you play your trying not to be better than your opponent. You are trying to play your table better than your opponent plays their table.

When you get to the table you have to decide to run out or play defense. You also have to continue to evaluate the table and make the right call at the right time. When you leave the table you want the table to be as hard as possible for your opponent. Your opponent is trying to do the same thing.

Your opponent t had his layout and failed to execute. What he left you was up to you to execute. You giving him the 9 made it where he didn't have to.

He beat you before you even played the match. His past wins gave him this win. You don't let your opponent win based on what they did in the past. In a match it's not yesterday. It's today.

I've been in a match and let my opponent shoot the 9 while I was trailing hill to almost nothing. They missed and I was able to control the table and win the match. If I gave it to them I would have never been able to show that I can play and complete. That I came to play and you will have to out shoot me. I would have missed out on some good performances.

And I always say "This game is make the 9 ball, not make the 8 and get good shape on the 9".

When I play my opponent will shoot every shot and I hate it when I'm givin the 9. I came to play. When my opponent gives me the 9 I don't say anything but I rather shoot it. I'm sure the A player feels the same. He didn't become an A player being good at just getting to the 9.

Just my take.

 

[Ummagumma]

Very wise words, you all.

In a tourney 2nite I made every person shoot in their 9. Of course, them having the opportunity to even shoot in the 9 wasn't an ideal situation anyhow.

Funny thing happened, too. I was playing this guy, score was 2-1 in a race to 3, my favor. We were playing for 5th place. So he missed pocketing the 7 ball quite badly, and then gives me the game. And the match.

 

[Ummagumma]

Timmy Tweedell, our ugly red-headed stepchild. He is moving back to Portland, but he is a great player. Was JD's partner for a long time. It's funny that it was Masa. When we used to go to that tournament, I drew Masa a couple times first round and put him over on the loser's. I told Mike I was the gatekeeper, because it enabled him to win those tournaments. But did I get a jelly roll? Nooooooo!

Oh yeah, I've heard of him. I saw him once, for the first time, up at Shotze's several months ago.

Also, it is never over til it's over. Even after the 9ball goes down! I was in a pro tournament and Darlene Stinson scratches on the 9. You can't concede in the pros, so she spots the 9 for the opponent, who takes ball in hand and shoots it from the spot into the corner. She makes it with quite a hard draw stroke as if to say, "There, take that!" Darlene gets up to rack and is putting the rack on the table when lo and behold, whitey scratches in the side!!! So, make them all shoot them. Too bad Darlene had already conceded. lol

But was it really a true concede, if you aren't allowed to concede in the pro tourneys?

 

[GADawg]

Don't Concede

I have missed balls that should never have been missed and have seen pros do the same. Have you seen prop golfers go to tap in a 2 inch putt and scuff the putter and miss.

No concessions, no do overs. Play'em until the balls are in the holes and the white one stops moving.

 

[mjantti]

I have missed balls that should never have been missed and have seen pros do the same. Have you seen prop golfers go to tap in a 2 inch putt and scuff the putter and miss.

No concessions, no do overs. Play'em until the balls are in the holes and the white one stops moving.

Agreed. It's also a sportmanship issue, but personally I feel that if I let my opponent shoot all the game balls and he/she misses only one of them throughout the history and future of mankind, I've made the right choice and was given a free chance. If you don't like getting free chances, go ahead and concede the game (and face the penalty if your opponent brings on the rulebook for conceding the game).

 

[pooltchr]

but I'd prefer to win a game against a good player who is shooting lights out, not by taking advantage of their mistakes and misses that a D player would be expected to do.

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Watch the pros play. Quite often the difference between winning and losing is ONE MISTAKE! If you don't take advantage of the mistakes, you aren't playing the game.
Let's say your highly skilled opponent misses an easy shot on the 4 ball...do you say "You shouldn't have missed that one...I'll give it to you so go ahead and keep shooting?" Of course you don't. So why would you do it on the money ball?
Steve

 

[MO4]

Last nite, I was playing in one of the local weekly tourneys, and my my first draw was against an A player, one who usually finishes in the top 3 or so.

He was not shooting very well at all. In the first game, he got on the 9, an easy shot for someone like him to make. I was considering just giving him the game from there, but then he shot. And missed. I ended up winning that game.

A couple of games later, he got on the 9 again, same type of difficulty of shot as before. I gave him that game.

Someone I know told me I shouldn't have given him the game, commenting on the fact of how my opponent was shooting, and how I could have won. I mentioned I wanted a real win, not a pseudo-win.

Call me naive or something, but I'd prefer to win a game against a good player who is shooting lights out, not by taking advantage of their mistakes and misses that a D player would be expected to do.

Would you do the same, give him the game.

He ended up getting third or fourth in the tourney out of 32 people, most of the people B players, with several other A players in attendance.

You have a lot to learn about pool. NEVER give your aponent any shot. No matter how easy YOU think it is make him shoot it! Do you get extra brownie points or somethig? I am not say you should cheat to win but playing by the rules is another matter. That, my friend, is why you are a looser and he is a winner!

 

[rackmsuckr]

Oh yeah, I've heard of him. I saw him once, for the first time, up at Shotze's several months ago.



But was it really a true concede, if you aren't allowed to concede in the pro tourneys?

Darlene still spotted the 9ball and had the other gal shoot. Darlene conceded when she threw the rack on the table, not when she (Darlene) scratched. And I guess that is not a true concession because she was not penalized, it was an honest mistake. Besides, everyone was laughing too hard.

 

[CaptainJR]

I have been in the opposite position a couple of times. When for what ever reason, disappointed in a miss or just not ready to rak yet. I've sat there and waited for the A player to make that easy 9 ball. A couple of times I've had them look at me like, 'I'd have given you that shot'. And they have given me the shot. I always feel a little obligated to come up with some excuse why I didn't give it to them.

The again I've played in games where we were giving each other 2 and 3 ball outs.

However, I think you were talking about in a tournament. That is different and you need no excuses. There are no gimmies in tournament play. Have you ever missed an easy shot? So have they! And if they do miss, they pay.