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CJ Willy "You're right of course, up until now pool has lacked that "wow factor".
We intend on changing this scenario because at the end of the day it's not about the game, it's about the characters in the show....it's about entertainment. I seriously doubt if the game being played will end up being more than 20% of the show.....until it catches on.
The general public, from my experience, likes the Underbelly of Pool - the gambling, violence, bar scenes, sex situations, etc all blended into a "Soprano's/Breaking Bad" type cocktail....shaken, not stirred Then, once the interest is developed and the emotional attachment is secure.....they will be enticed by THE GAME....but not until this development phase has been consummated. 'The Game is the Teacher' "
So, in another thread, i read the above, from CJ Wiley. It pretty much sums up what i have felt for years about pool.
Lets dig deeper!
Lets go back to when we were younger. What attracted us to pool? Was it
sitting in a sterile environment, quite as a mouse, for hours at a time, watching two guys run racks? Or was it the whole pool-hall environment, old guys matching up, screaming at each other trying to make a game? Seeing the players with their wads of cash flopping down on the table? Dreaming of nailing the pool room groupie tramp, when we were only 16 yrs old?
Today, the push is too clean up the image of the game. You do that, you lose 100% of what draws in new young players. Lets face it, if your not a pool junkie, you wont ever enjoy sitting hours, still, quite, watching two robots run racks. At 16, most of us couldn't sit still for 10 mins, forget about hours at a time. On the other hand, we could sit and watch for hours if the two players were entertaining, loud, obnoxious, funny, mad, etc etc....This is what draws in the next generation of players.
Shame on MOST of the Pros Recent example: Bonus Ball.....
Event in Las Vegas, all the "pros" in the world in one spot, for 6+ months!
Should have been a dam Circus in Vegas!
Let me tell you how it was.....
A ghost town, a few touring pros around town early (good for you) and the rest arrived the day the money was flowing (as planned) and left the day the money stopped. Then afterwards, cry cry about how it didn't work out. You
were paid to PROMOTE the game. I saw 6 touring pros' in 2 different states. NOT ONE mention of Bonus Ball from any of them. It was like a dam secret.
When i drove to Vegas, i stopped in 4 pool halls'.
How in the world can most people, not all in a pool hall, not know the best players in the world are arriving in Vegas, for 6 months!?? 2 months before it happened?
When i did see the few pro's match up and play in Vegas, the rail was good' people wanting to watch. Pro player in...plays game.....pro player out...not a peep to anyone about anything! Way to earn your money PROMOTING a game! Your fault the thing didn't work. You were getting paid for PROMOTING the game, and most of them didn't do jack, except arrive for the hand out.
Someone gave the best players in the world a tool to make money, and the Pros dropped the ball. They don't have any clue how to promote a game....
Only thing they know is easy money' on a handout. And how to run out 5 racks of 9 ball, the most BORING way possible...
Rant off:
SO how should it had been? Anyone can have a opinion on the past, should'a could'a would'a'
Every Pro that was going to get paid to promote a game should have been carrying a set of bouns balls' and playing with every person that wanted to try. Every pro should have been in Vegas a month+ early, creating action and buzz for the new game....
Every Pro should have been on this site' promoting the game/talking with the casual players all day and night......
Teams should have made side bets with each other, to add a element of fun to the game. In a public forum, like this one. Just a example, team that loses a match has to wear pink wigs in the next match...How many would pay for a stream, if you got to see Earl Strickland in a pink wig? Just a example, far out i know, but you should get the point! Make the game fun again, remove stick from back side....Think up crazy fun ways to remove the boring....grow an imagination...
Just like CJ said, the FIRST DRAW of a new pool player is the character/odd personalities of pool players....then the bug bites, and the rest falls into place. Without that, you have a boring, generic game, that appeals to zero young people......or anyone really, except us, the addicted to pool crowd.
What good are your trophies now...collecting dust? The typical Pro today is a boring person, not a bit of fun, stone faced, over serious, click monger. Fact...they feed on people swinging off the "church bells"
Yea, they run balls well, and put asleep 99% of the human population doing it. Then act shocked about why pool is not taking off in the US, wake up call....Your BORING!
So IMHO, bring back the strange, unique, non typical personality. Bring back the fun, the odd! Stick a bomb in the tail end of the clickster' pro....let the players be players, stop requiring them to act like alter boys and girls...
The Pros need to stop worrying so much what people say and think, a player is a walking circus, fun fun fun, action action action. I have seen this, for many years. When the MIZ walked into a pool room, that was slow and quite most of the time, it turned into a circus environment. Action, jokes, laughs, and most important, something everyone could get involved with. Many of the great true players had this, today, not so much.....
So, take the stick out of your tail end, and try to make the game fun again...
You want pool to attract people,then start doing something that makes them want to watch. If they are around the event, do something that allows them to be involved. You have nothing going on, start a dam 1.00 game and tell every weak player in the joint to line up. Kick that tail, for a 1.00 a game all night, keep emm' smiling and having a good time, and see how many come back the next night to do it again....How about a free lesson for 20mins of your life, to keep one? Too much to ask, then live broke?
Nah' try to run right up in them for 50 a hour...lets see how many times they come back for that..... It's a very simple fix, if you have a clue.
Is it not time for old school players to start speaking up? Letting these "players" know how lame and boring they are? Drinking their water, sitting like a stone faced statue all the time, basking in their self induced fame, lack of any imagination and personality. Walking around like they are the elite, keeping it quite, like a secret, when they should be out going, loud, funny. It's called promoting! The only promoting they do is for their click, all the sub par players swinging off a pros nut' And they cant get enough.......
http://vintagehalloffamevideospartll.blogspot.com/2008/04/fats-hof-speech-part-1.html
http://vintagehalloffamevideospartl.../fats-speech-hall-of-fame-dinner-part-ll.html
http://vintagehalloffamevideospartll.blogspot.com/2008/04/fats-speech-hall-of-fame-dinner-part.html
Don't take it from me, listen to the greatest promoter of all time for pool'
At 16 or so, we would go to the 24 hour pool room, sit with a coke, and just wait for the old timers to start trying to match up. We would watch the games laughing at all the antics. The personality's is what we wanted to see, Love of the game never was a thought at that time.
Every pool room had a few distinct personalities.
Some of them
1: the hot shot
2: the pool bum under the table sleeping at 4am
3: the know it all
4: the professor- intellectual
5: loud mouth
6: comedian
As young future players (didn't know it at the time) we loved them all........
Today: You got Blah blah blah.......boring boring boring......
For the old school players, its not even fun to watch, its depressing....
that's why they are GONE.....Most of them.....
And for the casual player fan.....
Some people (majority) come on this site, and just can't stfu on others peoples dirt. It's like a dam hobby, Just read the threads, people sticking that nose into things that don't even concern them. News for you, pool player without a little dirt ain't no player.....Example (out of 1000's on this site)
Keith Mc' now i don't know this guy at all, but i know he posted on here until all the BORING ass, yuppie players, ran him off with insults. All that guy did is LIVE pool.
Let me tell you the reason this happens.....cause the people talking ain't got the set, to live pool..........So they disrespect the person that can!
It's a defense mechanism. I cant believe how many pros have been run off this site. I wont even get into how many dam people ruin the game for true players, with all the cross talk on this site..........So yes, these people who talk and walk like they love pool, are killing it...........funny huh?
"let men be men" In other words, if your not involved with anything cause your peas are too small, keep your trap shut, and let men be men. Stop posting up cell phone pics of players, and playing match maker. Your killing
the pros way of life......
Hustlers and scufflers if you don't know what that is, news flash, your in the way mushroom.......Don't be in the way, let men be men.......
The casual player/fan won't know any better, unless players start telling them. So take your cell phone cam back a couple of decades, and fire that off in a real pool hall, report back how that works for ya please!
Final note: I have 100% respect for the new players that live the game.....I just don't think they have been taught to promote it right. They just need to listen more to people that have a clue.......they need to get into a big room, and hash it out. But that can't happen, they could not organize a money cutting party. Bonus ball was that, if they worked it right....
i have 0 respect for people that hang off the nut' of players. Your a dam groupie.....and to make matters worse, you stick your nose into games that have nothing to do with you. You help kill the game for people trying to live it right. Congratz' you have just about done it!
Everyone that loves the game of pool can do something a little different. But if the old school players don't start stepping up and explaining this to the new generation of player, then its going to continue to fall'
old way of thinking.....it works all the time......its how pool can contiune and strive. Its not only a money thing, think over that.......
one . for you
one . for me
two .. for you
two ... for me
three ... for you
three ...... for me
four for you ....
four for me ..........
See? the pros need to get this quick, spread it out, make it fun for all players weak and strong....give some to make some...lessons, free play, cheap games, etc etc etc...And the casual players need to have fun, support the pros some, but stay out of the way most of the time, so the pros can live it, without begin broke....
Stop preaching save the game, when your just killing it. Any person has the common sense to know when they are in the way of a player making money.....and if they choose not to know, then people should educate them.
It only took a minute, back yrs ago, for a young person to learn what was okay and what was bad in a pool hall........Simple math....If your around a player, and you can't bet or play like he can, your a groupie......keep mouth shut, turn off cell phone cams, and let the real player be a player. And for God sake's, let off the death grip on the players "church bells"
On the other hand, your good for one thing, letting players know who the best players are in your town! Cause your little pack rat ways' point out the players to other players in under 5 mins! See how you hurt a player trying to LIVE pool? Now you do, with just 1 simple example.....
educate new players, players.....
That should give em' something to talk about!
We intend on changing this scenario because at the end of the day it's not about the game, it's about the characters in the show....it's about entertainment. I seriously doubt if the game being played will end up being more than 20% of the show.....until it catches on.
The general public, from my experience, likes the Underbelly of Pool - the gambling, violence, bar scenes, sex situations, etc all blended into a "Soprano's/Breaking Bad" type cocktail....shaken, not stirred Then, once the interest is developed and the emotional attachment is secure.....they will be enticed by THE GAME....but not until this development phase has been consummated. 'The Game is the Teacher' "
So, in another thread, i read the above, from CJ Wiley. It pretty much sums up what i have felt for years about pool.
Lets dig deeper!
Lets go back to when we were younger. What attracted us to pool? Was it
sitting in a sterile environment, quite as a mouse, for hours at a time, watching two guys run racks? Or was it the whole pool-hall environment, old guys matching up, screaming at each other trying to make a game? Seeing the players with their wads of cash flopping down on the table? Dreaming of nailing the pool room groupie tramp, when we were only 16 yrs old?
Today, the push is too clean up the image of the game. You do that, you lose 100% of what draws in new young players. Lets face it, if your not a pool junkie, you wont ever enjoy sitting hours, still, quite, watching two robots run racks. At 16, most of us couldn't sit still for 10 mins, forget about hours at a time. On the other hand, we could sit and watch for hours if the two players were entertaining, loud, obnoxious, funny, mad, etc etc....This is what draws in the next generation of players.
Shame on MOST of the Pros Recent example: Bonus Ball.....
Event in Las Vegas, all the "pros" in the world in one spot, for 6+ months!
Should have been a dam Circus in Vegas!
Let me tell you how it was.....
A ghost town, a few touring pros around town early (good for you) and the rest arrived the day the money was flowing (as planned) and left the day the money stopped. Then afterwards, cry cry about how it didn't work out. You
were paid to PROMOTE the game. I saw 6 touring pros' in 2 different states. NOT ONE mention of Bonus Ball from any of them. It was like a dam secret.
When i drove to Vegas, i stopped in 4 pool halls'.
How in the world can most people, not all in a pool hall, not know the best players in the world are arriving in Vegas, for 6 months!?? 2 months before it happened?
When i did see the few pro's match up and play in Vegas, the rail was good' people wanting to watch. Pro player in...plays game.....pro player out...not a peep to anyone about anything! Way to earn your money PROMOTING a game! Your fault the thing didn't work. You were getting paid for PROMOTING the game, and most of them didn't do jack, except arrive for the hand out.
Someone gave the best players in the world a tool to make money, and the Pros dropped the ball. They don't have any clue how to promote a game....
Only thing they know is easy money' on a handout. And how to run out 5 racks of 9 ball, the most BORING way possible...
Rant off:
SO how should it had been? Anyone can have a opinion on the past, should'a could'a would'a'
Every Pro that was going to get paid to promote a game should have been carrying a set of bouns balls' and playing with every person that wanted to try. Every pro should have been in Vegas a month+ early, creating action and buzz for the new game....
Every Pro should have been on this site' promoting the game/talking with the casual players all day and night......
Teams should have made side bets with each other, to add a element of fun to the game. In a public forum, like this one. Just a example, team that loses a match has to wear pink wigs in the next match...How many would pay for a stream, if you got to see Earl Strickland in a pink wig? Just a example, far out i know, but you should get the point! Make the game fun again, remove stick from back side....Think up crazy fun ways to remove the boring....grow an imagination...
Just like CJ said, the FIRST DRAW of a new pool player is the character/odd personalities of pool players....then the bug bites, and the rest falls into place. Without that, you have a boring, generic game, that appeals to zero young people......or anyone really, except us, the addicted to pool crowd.
What good are your trophies now...collecting dust? The typical Pro today is a boring person, not a bit of fun, stone faced, over serious, click monger. Fact...they feed on people swinging off the "church bells"
Yea, they run balls well, and put asleep 99% of the human population doing it. Then act shocked about why pool is not taking off in the US, wake up call....Your BORING!
So IMHO, bring back the strange, unique, non typical personality. Bring back the fun, the odd! Stick a bomb in the tail end of the clickster' pro....let the players be players, stop requiring them to act like alter boys and girls...
The Pros need to stop worrying so much what people say and think, a player is a walking circus, fun fun fun, action action action. I have seen this, for many years. When the MIZ walked into a pool room, that was slow and quite most of the time, it turned into a circus environment. Action, jokes, laughs, and most important, something everyone could get involved with. Many of the great true players had this, today, not so much.....
So, take the stick out of your tail end, and try to make the game fun again...
You want pool to attract people,then start doing something that makes them want to watch. If they are around the event, do something that allows them to be involved. You have nothing going on, start a dam 1.00 game and tell every weak player in the joint to line up. Kick that tail, for a 1.00 a game all night, keep emm' smiling and having a good time, and see how many come back the next night to do it again....How about a free lesson for 20mins of your life, to keep one? Too much to ask, then live broke?
Nah' try to run right up in them for 50 a hour...lets see how many times they come back for that..... It's a very simple fix, if you have a clue.
Is it not time for old school players to start speaking up? Letting these "players" know how lame and boring they are? Drinking their water, sitting like a stone faced statue all the time, basking in their self induced fame, lack of any imagination and personality. Walking around like they are the elite, keeping it quite, like a secret, when they should be out going, loud, funny. It's called promoting! The only promoting they do is for their click, all the sub par players swinging off a pros nut' And they cant get enough.......
http://vintagehalloffamevideospartll.blogspot.com/2008/04/fats-hof-speech-part-1.html
http://vintagehalloffamevideospartl.../fats-speech-hall-of-fame-dinner-part-ll.html
http://vintagehalloffamevideospartll.blogspot.com/2008/04/fats-speech-hall-of-fame-dinner-part.html
Don't take it from me, listen to the greatest promoter of all time for pool'
At 16 or so, we would go to the 24 hour pool room, sit with a coke, and just wait for the old timers to start trying to match up. We would watch the games laughing at all the antics. The personality's is what we wanted to see, Love of the game never was a thought at that time.
Every pool room had a few distinct personalities.
Some of them
1: the hot shot
2: the pool bum under the table sleeping at 4am
3: the know it all
4: the professor- intellectual
5: loud mouth
6: comedian
As young future players (didn't know it at the time) we loved them all........
Today: You got Blah blah blah.......boring boring boring......
For the old school players, its not even fun to watch, its depressing....
that's why they are GONE.....Most of them.....
And for the casual player fan.....
Some people (majority) come on this site, and just can't stfu on others peoples dirt. It's like a dam hobby, Just read the threads, people sticking that nose into things that don't even concern them. News for you, pool player without a little dirt ain't no player.....Example (out of 1000's on this site)
Keith Mc' now i don't know this guy at all, but i know he posted on here until all the BORING ass, yuppie players, ran him off with insults. All that guy did is LIVE pool.
Let me tell you the reason this happens.....cause the people talking ain't got the set, to live pool..........So they disrespect the person that can!
It's a defense mechanism. I cant believe how many pros have been run off this site. I wont even get into how many dam people ruin the game for true players, with all the cross talk on this site..........So yes, these people who talk and walk like they love pool, are killing it...........funny huh?
"let men be men" In other words, if your not involved with anything cause your peas are too small, keep your trap shut, and let men be men. Stop posting up cell phone pics of players, and playing match maker. Your killing
the pros way of life......
Hustlers and scufflers if you don't know what that is, news flash, your in the way mushroom.......Don't be in the way, let men be men.......
The casual player/fan won't know any better, unless players start telling them. So take your cell phone cam back a couple of decades, and fire that off in a real pool hall, report back how that works for ya please!
Final note: I have 100% respect for the new players that live the game.....I just don't think they have been taught to promote it right. They just need to listen more to people that have a clue.......they need to get into a big room, and hash it out. But that can't happen, they could not organize a money cutting party. Bonus ball was that, if they worked it right....
i have 0 respect for people that hang off the nut' of players. Your a dam groupie.....and to make matters worse, you stick your nose into games that have nothing to do with you. You help kill the game for people trying to live it right. Congratz' you have just about done it!
Everyone that loves the game of pool can do something a little different. But if the old school players don't start stepping up and explaining this to the new generation of player, then its going to continue to fall'
old way of thinking.....it works all the time......its how pool can contiune and strive. Its not only a money thing, think over that.......
one . for you
one . for me
two .. for you
two ... for me
three ... for you
three ...... for me
four for you ....
four for me ..........
See? the pros need to get this quick, spread it out, make it fun for all players weak and strong....give some to make some...lessons, free play, cheap games, etc etc etc...And the casual players need to have fun, support the pros some, but stay out of the way most of the time, so the pros can live it, without begin broke....
Stop preaching save the game, when your just killing it. Any person has the common sense to know when they are in the way of a player making money.....and if they choose not to know, then people should educate them.
It only took a minute, back yrs ago, for a young person to learn what was okay and what was bad in a pool hall........Simple math....If your around a player, and you can't bet or play like he can, your a groupie......keep mouth shut, turn off cell phone cams, and let the real player be a player. And for God sake's, let off the death grip on the players "church bells"
On the other hand, your good for one thing, letting players know who the best players are in your town! Cause your little pack rat ways' point out the players to other players in under 5 mins! See how you hurt a player trying to LIVE pool? Now you do, with just 1 simple example.....
educate new players, players.....
That should give em' something to talk about!
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(I hear he's currently doing very well in politics) 