Wei Table ...help with shot .....long

[Colin Colenso]

Sorry Colin
I saw the shot and think I would play that one playing a good player.
For some reason the shot looks easier on the Wei Table than it did in the heat of the moment. I dont mind banking but in that situation I did not want to take to many chances.
Would you play that with just right or add top or bottom to it?...........................nevermind I see you have the english in the diagram.
thanks
frankncali

Actually, I'm a bit in two minds on the top or bottom. Top may head to the corner pocket moreso than I diagramed it, and draw may go dangerously close to the center pocket.

Still, even if I scratch (that's not loss in your rules is it?), I'm probably getting the 8 ball out into the clear putting pressure on and I think I could avoid the scratch by visualizing the angles when actually playing the shot in real life.

I would still play this shot against a low level player, as I don't want to tie my balls up with theirs.

I know if my opponent was playing the shot, I'd be hoping they didn't go for the bank. There's nothing like scaring your opponent to put them off their game.

Just my opinion and I understand your thinking.

Perhaps the angle you had in the competition was an even thinner bank than you diagrammed too.

 

[Colin Colenso]

That's close to what I said: "Against Jude (or per his suggestion, Efren) I think you take the 8 cross-side and try to bring the CB four rails to the freeze on the foot rail." I pictured it coming a bit farther down the 2nd rail, then close to hitting the six, then over to the top-left rail, then down to the bottom rail.

Your way has the advantage of much less risk of running into the 6. On the other hand, with my way the speed to hold the CB on the foot rail is much easier to achieve because the CB will die off the third rail.

Cory

Cory,
I may actually choose the path you describe, by playing with pure top, even though it makes the bank cut harder (thinner and less natural as with OE). The way I showed the CB with top right may go near the corner pocket.

The perfect option may be to draw center ball and send the CB toward the opposite corner, but the jaw may get in the road.

Sometimes easier to visualize the paths when your at the table. Some experienced bankers probably have these paths memorized better than I.

 

[Williebetmore]

Sorry that I am beneath you by playing in league play. .

Frank,
Just a note to let you know that I DEFINITELY do not think that league matches are silly. I (and others) make it a point to read all the forum posts that deal with competition (whether gambling, league, or tournament). If I win my weekly 14.1 league match, I feel good for a week. I hope everyone will feel free to post their experiences (victories, defeats, great shots, great chokes, and embarrassing faux pas) - I look forward to reading them. Good luck.

P.S. - My 8-ball sucks; but I like Colins shot a bit. As a straight pool fanatic, I would try to play off the LEFT side of the 8, bringing the cue ball up the long rail to just above the one ball (just high enough to prevent a shot on that 7 ball on the foot rail). Realistically though, I would never expect to win a game from the position you show; but if you leave your opponent distance (or a shot where he has to let the cue ball loose) you always have a chance against mortal players.

 

[Fred Agnir]

Last night in an APA league match I had the following shot.

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Any suggestions for the original 8 ball shot.

Was this on a bar table or a 9'table? If it's a bar table, shoot the bank cross side as others have said. If you miss, plan on losing.

If this was a 9' table, I like Colin's (and Corey's?) shot, playing position up table but still trying the back cut bank cross side. If you miss, plan on losing to decent players, but your chances increase as the opponent skill level decreases.

I'm not a big advocate of tying up balls in this case. The balls aren't in your favor, and this might be your best chance to make a stand.

Fred

 

[Colin Colenso]

Another Option

There are nearly always other good options if you think hard enough. Here is one that you might fancy as it may bank, or get in front of the 7 or the 6 and could also leave the CB quite safe.

Takes a bit of practice to play these soft draw (drag) shots.

 

[nfty9er]

That would be tough

There are nearly always other good options if you think hard enough. Here is one that you might fancy as it may bank, or get in front of the 7 or the 6 and could also leave the CB quite safe.

Takes a bit of practice to play these soft draw (drag) shots.

On a slow bar table I think that shot would be extremely difficult if not impossible hitting it slow. Hard maybe but then you might end up double banking the 8 into the cross corner and lose.
I dont care who you are playing on a bar table they are capable of running out, so tying up the ball is the best option to me and that is not very hard. The 7 can get tied up easily. You have an easy safety again then after opponent misses or cannot break up balls. I would rather guarantee a chance to win rather than just give him an open table. Remember this is a bar table with sloppy pockets I assume. Considering that I might just cut the 8 in. The cue ball is just going to go back and forth and the pocket is big for accepting the 8. I can cut thin good from playing a lot of one pocket. So there. lol

 

[Colin Colenso]

On a slow bar table I think that shot would be extremely difficult if not impossible hitting it slow. Hard maybe but then you might end up double banking the 8 into the cross corner and lose.

It will depend on the actual angle available. The intention was to play at a slow speed, just enough for the 8 to reach the pocket. The angle in the diagram looks right to me. Even on a slow cloth, you can dig low, hit a touch harder and the CB will slow up a bit to make the same shot playable, though it's usually tougher to judge on high friction cloths.

 

[nfty9er]

Since nobody mentioned

It will depend on the actual angle available. The intention was to play at a slow speed, just enough for the 8 to reach the pocket. The angle in the diagram looks right to me. Even on a slow cloth, you can dig low, hit a touch harder and the CB will slow up a bit to make the same shot playable, though it's usually tougher to judge on high friction cloths.

What may make a difference is are they playing with a bigger, heavier bar cue ball or a regular cue ball. I stil, from that angle on the wie table do not think that is an optimal shot. You just cannot hit it easy enough to get there, u have to hit it pretty hard. Forget it with a big cue ball.