Weight bolts question

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TheJackal

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I went to the pool hall yesterday for the first time in a long long long time. To say I was rusty would be an understatement.
Anyway, I found that both cues (JB5 and Dale Perry) were to light (I don't know the exact weights) for me. Today I took off the end caps and pulled out the weight bolts. The DP came out in 2 black pieces and, both together, weigh .831 oz. The JB5 was a 1 piece silver bolt and weighs 1.921 oz. I tried putting the heavier bolt in the DP, but after 2-3 turns it felt like it was cross threaded, so I stopped and put each back in the correct cue. Before I did, I compared the bolt threads and they appeared to be the same 🤷
My question.....are all weight bolts the same? Where can I get weight bolts, and which ones, for both sticks?

Thanks.....Eddi
 
TheJackal said:
I went to the pool hall yesterday for the first time in a long long long time. To say I was rusty would be an understatement.
Anyway, I found that both cues (JB5 and Dale Perry) were to light (I don't know the exact weights) for me. Today I took off the end caps and pulled out the weight bolts. The DP came out in 2 black pieces and, both together, weigh .831 oz. The JB5 was a 1 piece silver bolt and weighs 1.921 oz. I tried putting the heavier bolt in the DP, but after 2-3 turns it felt like it was cross threaded, so I stopped and put each back in the correct cue. Before I did, I compared the bolt threads and they appeared to be the same 🤷
My question.....are all weight bolts the same? Where can I get weight bolts, and which ones, for both sticks?

Thanks.....Eddi
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need to know outside diameter and thread count.
 
TheJackal said:
I went to the pool hall yesterday for the first time in a long long long time. To say I was rusty would be an understatement.
Anyway, I found that both cues (JB5 and Dale Perry) were to light (I don't know the exact weights) for me. Today I took off the end caps and pulled out the weight bolts. The DP came out in 2 black pieces and, both together, weigh .831 oz. The JB5 was a 1 piece silver bolt and weighs 1.921 oz. I tried putting the heavier bolt in the DP, but after 2-3 turns it felt like it was cross threaded, so I stopped and put each back in the correct cue. Before I did, I compared the bolt threads and they appeared to be the same 🤷
My question.....are all weight bolts the same? Where can I get weight bolts, and which ones, for both sticks?

Thanks.....Eddi
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did you use a thread gauge and check the bolt diameter?
 
TheJackal said:
I don't have one.

Without a thread gauge, I wouldn't know how to figure that out
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measure od and count the threads in one inch of length. can usually find them in any decent hardware store. 3/8x16 is pretty common size. 1/2x13 are in some. just have o measure.
 
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TheJackle, Howdy;

Have you tried running the 'Light" cues weight bolt about 1/2 way out from
it's forward position? Puts the weight (literally), further aft and helps make
the tip end feel heavier? Would like to know what you think should you try that.

hank
 
You described the JB5 weight bolt as a single bolt that weighed just over 1.9 ozs.

I presume you’re pleased with the cue and that’s all that matters. That’s a big weight
addition in the bottom of your cue’s butt that I’d otherwise imagine would significantly
change the balance and feel, at least that’s been my prior experience. You should post
your query in the cue maker’s section where there should be more knowledgeable folks.
 
Take the thread bolts to Home Despot,
go to the fasteners isle
look for Allen bolts (screws*)
Check the head size to see if fits your Allen wrench
choose one of each length, from shortest to longest.

Presto you will never need to go looking for weight bolts ever again.

For fine tuning a file or Dremel tool with cut off disk are great.

(*) in machining: technically;
a) it is a screw if you tighten it from the head,
and
b) it is a bolt if you tighten it from the nut.

So, technically, these things are weight 'screws'.
 
MitchAlsup said:
(*) in machining: technically;
a) it is a screw if you tighten it from the head,
and
b) it is a bolt if you tighten it from the nut.
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Ahh, so that's the distinction! So the vast majority of bolts are actually screws. And most of the things I can think of that are tightened with the nut are actually studs, unless that is also being misused. That explains the "socket head cap screws" at the hardware store.
 
tomatoshooter said:
Ahh, so that's the distinction! So the vast majority of bolts are actually screws. And most of the things I can think of that are tightened with the nut are actually studs, unless that is also being misused. That explains the "socket head cap screws" at the hardware store.
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The vast majority of weight “bolts” are actually called “set screws”, commonly available as hex or flat heads and the hex is usually the best option. Most common is the 3/8-16 slugs used by Jacoby and many others & widely available at HW stores.
 
TheBasics said:
TheJackle, Howdy;

Have you tried running the 'Light" cues weight bolt about 1/2 way out from
it's forward position? Puts the weight (literally), further aft and helps make
the tip end feel heavier? Would like to know what you think should you try that.

hank
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I have not. If I can't find the ones I need, I will. My concern would be that it wouldn't be in 'tight', and could move around.
Bavafongoul said:
You described the JB5 weight bolt as a single bolt that weighed just over 1.9 ozs.

I presume you’re pleased with the cue and that’s all that matters. That’s a big weight
addition in the bottom of your cue’s butt that I’d otherwise imagine would significantly
change the balance and feel, at least that’s been my prior experience. You should post
your query in the cue maker’s section where there should be more knowledgeable folks.
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My initial post was actually to verify that different cue makers use different threads. I guess I answered my own question. The bolt in the players looks like the one below and is labeled 2oz. I haven't used many cues to make an educated comparison, but I do like both cues. I compared them, without a scale, with my 2 very old cues and they are both much lighter. I took the end caps off them, but don't see any way to change/remove any weight bolts that might be in there
phreaticus said:
The vast majority of weight “bolts” are actually called “set screws”, commonly available as hex or flat heads and the hex is usually the best option. Most common is the 3/8-16 slugs used by Jacoby and many others & widely available at HW stores.
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The DP has 2 'set screw'. The Players uses the bolt and is labeled 2oz. I went to Lowes and HD. They have a board where you can screw in the bolt you have to find the correct one. The DP set screws are 1/2"-13. The Players wouldn't screw into any, not even the metric. If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say it was close to 1/2"-10(?)
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MitchAlsup said:
Take the thread bolts to Home Despot,
go to the fasteners isle
look for Allen bolts (screws*)
Check the head size to see if fits your Allen wrench
choose one of each length, from shortest to longest.

Presto you will never need to go looking for weight bolts ever again.

For fine tuning a file or Dremel tool with cut off disk are great.

(*) in machining: technically;
a) it is a screw if you tighten it from the head,
and
b) it is a bolt if you tighten it from the nut.

So, technically, these things are weight 'screws'.
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I went to Lowe's and HD and tried using the board they have to screw them in and find the correct size. The DP is 1/2"-13, but they were both sold out of all the sizes. The Players would not screw into anything, not even the metric sizes. If I had to make and educated guess, it's something like 1/2"-10(?)
 
TheJackal said:
I went to Lowe's and HD and tried using the board they have to screw them in and find the correct size. The DP is 1/2"-13, but they were both sold out of all the sizes. The Players would not screw into anything, not even the metric sizes. If I had to make and educated guess, it's something like 1/2"-10(?)
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You can buy at the hardware store all thread. Simple cut to length and slot the head with a file. https://www.lowes.com/pl/Threaded-rods-Metal-rods-shapes-sheets-Hardware/4294625944
 
Welder84 said:
You can buy at the hardware store all thread. Simple cut to length and slot the head with a file. https://www.lowes.com/pl/Threaded-rods-Metal-rods-shapes-sheets-Hardware/4294625944
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Howdy;

Think he'd be lookin' more for a Fine thread rather then a Course thread. Just mho.

Did a quickie Goo-goo search and found Granger. Only problem is quantity, they sell
them in packages of 25. Here's the link;
https://www.grainger.com/category/f...-set-screws/socket-set-screws?categoryIndex=4

Look around the granger site or try Fastenal might get lucky.

hank
 
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I don't know about Dale Perry, but I have specs for others. These are cues I own. Best and cheapest place is Bolt Depot. You can get any length so you can really dial the weight in. They can be found by going to the Bolt Depot home page, selecting "set screws", then "allen cup point", then "alloy steel black oxide finish".

Meucci 5/8 inch - 11 threads to inch
OB 1/2 inch - 13 threads to inch
Little Al sneaky pete 3/8 inch - 16 threads to inch
 
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TheBasics said:
Howdy;

Think he'd be lookin' more for a Fine thread rather then a Course thread. Just mho.

Did a quickie Goo-goo search and found Granger. Only problem is quantity, they sell
them in packages of 25. Here's the link;
https://www.grainger.com/category/f...-set-screws/socket-set-screws?categoryIndex=4

Look around the granger site or try Fastenal might get lucky.

hank
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The JB5 is coarser than the DP, I just can't figure out the thread size.
9ball5032 said:
I don't know about Dale Perry, but I have specs for others. Best and cheapest place is Bolt Depot.
They can be found by going to the Bolt Depot home page, selecting "set screws", then "allen cup point", then "alloy steel black oxide finish".

Meucci 5/8 inch - 11 threads to inch
OB 1/2 inch - 13 threads to inch
Little Al sneaky pete 3/8 inch - 16 threads to inch
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Thanks. Do you happen to have thread size for the Players JB5? I found these bolts and it appears it's the same threads as a Rage and Lucasi
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My DP is 1/2"-13. You can add that to your records.
 
Jackel, Howdy;

If all else fails ya might try contacting DP and ... just ask. Can't hurt, might be
"Home-made" .

hank
 
It's a very annoying topic. I wanted to convert 3 older, cheaper cues to a breaker, matching my player. All 3 had different bolts. If you shop online they all list bolts by brand without specs. Of course nobody had bolts for a JJ or aska. Adding insult to injury, they all have different space limit how far you can push the bolts. So I wasn't able to match weight and balance point. Very annoying.
 
TheBasics said:
Jackel, Howdy;

If all else fails ya might try contacting DP and ... just ask. Can't hurt, might be
"Home-made" .

hank
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The DP is 1/2-13. It's the Players that's a mystery. Though, it appeared to be the same as the Rage and Lucasi.

Added: So after doing a little more Googling, I came across a thread that was asked on here back in 2016. The bolt size is M13, which is a pretty rare. Here is the thread, for anyone interested. Now I know what I'm looking for. Thanks to everyone that responded.

Lucasi weight bolt?

Hey Folks, Just a quick question: does anyone know what size weight bolt (and thread count) Lucasi uses on their newer cues. Looks to about 1/2'' but I have no idea what the thread count is. Thanks, Serge
forums.azbilliards.com
 
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