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The six and last two are two different spots. The six is just what it means. If you make the six you win. That can be used in many different ways (wild, call 6, no 6 on the break, etc).
The last two means the last two balls on the table including the 9. If you make the 7 and 8 on the break, then the last two would be the 6 and 9.
The last two means the last two balls on the table including the 9. If you make the 7 and 8 on the break, then the last two would be the 6 and 9.
I don't gamble much on pool, so I am foggy on a lot of this as well. So if someone spots me "the last two" in 9 ball, I'm only responsible for making those balls? So if I break and make the 1, I'm immediately shooting the 8 and 9 to get out?
Okay, that makes sense (way more than the way I described it when I asked). So you're running down to the last two on the table, and once you get there, you're out. Thanks for the clarification.
I'm pretty sure you still have to make one of the last 2.
You have to still make one of those balls. The idea of the last two is it's a little more weight than just giving up the eight. The eight or which ever ball your spotted can get potted early and then the spot is gone if not potted by the person getting weight. So last two ensures they still have one other money ball besides the nine no matter what. Basically If all that is left on the table is the six and nine.....the six becomes your money ball. If the guy giving weight also pots that then it goes to the nine of course. Spots can however come in different variations and people can interpret them in different manners so you need to make all of this clear at the beginning of a match. Hope that helps and does not confuse anyone worse...lol
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Man, when DO I gamble it's usually with someone of equal talent, so I generally just play straight up. I figured there was a lot of intricacies in this stuff, and I can see that already. Thanks for the answer, tshughes.
Your welcome and there are a lot of variations in the spots.
If you get the last two, that means you win if you make either of the last two balls, once they are the only two balls left on the table. The last two is less of a spot than the eight ball for this reason. The person being spotted can only win when there are only two balls on the table. NO early combos.
Sorry if i sound wrong, but you are incorrect here. The last two is less of a spot than the eight because the person cant win until there are only two balls left on the table. No early combos equals less of a spot.
Your right and I agree it is a larger spot in general due to having to reach the end of the rack. Not much of a larger spot but somewhat due to the early combo that the eight could bring especially if its wild 8. But the downside of the 8 spot is that the person also giving weight can carom that ball early as well.
The last 2 is the 9 ball and whatever other ball is left on the table. You must shoot in this other ball to get the win. This is not much weight at all for good players. I've heard many top players say "If I can't give em the last 2, I can't beat em even".
Here are some other weight examples
laying 9 ballthe 8 = slop in the 8 any time and you win
call 8 = make the 8 on a called shot to win
last 3 = the 9 and 2 other balls on the table, sink the first of these 3 to win
the 7 = slop the 7 in and get the win
call 7 = make the 7 on a called shot to win
7 out = make the 7,8 or 9 on any shot to win
call 7 out = have to call the 7, 8 or 9 to win
call 6 = make the 6 and win
6 out = make the 6, 7, 8 or 9 and win
call 6 out = make the 6, 7, 8 or 9 on a called shot to win
orange crush = the break and the 5 out = make the 5,6,7 8 or 9 and win the game
If you need more than the orange crush you need a doctor LOL
You can add the break to any of the above weight examples to get more of an advantage. Taking the break away from a player rated A or higher is huge. He can't put multiple racks together while you sit helpless in your chair. Vice vers, giving the break to a D player is no big deal, he probably won't get shape on the 1 ball even if he makes a ball on the break.
Hope this helps.:thumbup:
I think you read it too quick, I put down that it's the break and 5 out. We are usually on the same wave length though. The orange crush is huge weight, only give to maybe Ray Charles.
I have time tested the debate with over fifty years of playing regarding which is the bigger spot, the last two or giving the eight. No doubt giving up the eight is a bigger spot. Having given both I always started with the last two and from there moved to giving up the eight. When the change is made you can feel the difference between the two spots. Every time you make the spot a little bigger that weight really starts to drag you down.
Another spot that you don't hear much about is the safe eight. In this case if he makes the eight he cannot lose but can only win if he makes the nine. If he doesn't make the nine then that game is a push. This is a much smaller spot than the other two.
Another one is giving up a certain ball when you break and a different ball or none when he breaks.
Another spot that you don't hear much about is the safe eight. In this case if he makes the eight he cannot lose but can only win if he makes the nine. If he doesn't make the nine then that game is a push. This is a much smaller spot than the other two.
Another one is giving up a certain ball when you break and a different ball or none when he breaks.
Yep, there is a ton of variations. The most I gave up was the break and Barney (purple 4 ball) on a bar box. Almost didn't like it.
The most I have given up was the three out and they all counted on the break too. I gave this to Archie the greek on a seven ahead set for some good dough. He got me after two days of playing. Even though I got to case game a couple of times the weight was too much to fade.