What defines a "Pro"...

TheOne said:
Is this really what people think? :confused:

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TheUnitaryValue,
The reason that these threads always deteriorate is because of a basic conflict. People seem to want the word "professional" to indicate a certain level of proficiency - IT DOES NOT. You can make money (a lot or a little) from pool and you may not be as proficient as other players.

I believe golf had it right. If you win money playing pool, you are a professional (it doesn't automatically confer Efren-like ability on you; there are a LOT of different skill levels among pro's). If you win just a trophy, you are an amateur.

If you want to assess someone's skill level, give them a PAT test; then no one will need to guess at their level just because they call themselves a pro.

If pool had a ruling body; they could decide how much money a player could win before becoming a professional. If there was a tour (for men) they could decide as well. It would be great for the game if there was such a body that actually had the best interests of the game at heart, and if amateurs and professionals could be easily differentiated.
 
<---------------- NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A REAL PRO !!!


This is a bit crazy. I know I am sure to get some heat for my screen name on here. I never meant it to be an indicator of my ability or my status. Nothing more than I love this game. And I used to answer pool questions on a non pool website. So, while on here I am not the best qualified or the best player, on there I was very qualified to clear up misconceptions about the game. I do happen to work in a pool room, and I gamble. I am also considering becoming a dealer of cues, cases, etc. So I derive almost all of my income from the game of pool.

I make all of my money from this game. I have even given lessons in the past. Was even considered a "house pro" at a previous room I worked in. I have played in many leagues ( i am an APA7). These are AMATUER leagues. I am a skilled player, but could not compete with any touring pro.

I have never considered myself , or misrepresented myself as a professional pool player. I absolutelty am NOT.

I think that the ONLY reason the definition is fuzzy is because of the state of the mens pro tour. In the case of the WPBA there should be no confusion. If you are female, and you are not a memeber of the WPBA, you are not a pro. PERIOD.

Listen, I have worked in bars, and pool rooms for quite a while. If a guy could run four balls on a bar table, he would go on about how he used to be a pro. Bullshit. The argument is always " well i play pool for money, that means I am a pro player". No way!!!

If you are a carpenter, you make your living working with wood. So technically you are a professional carpenter. Ability has nothing to do with this, because if you started a week ago and are getting $8 an hour, or you have been a carpenter for 40 years you are both making your living from woodworking, right?

The MAJOR difference is the governing body. Other than say a union, there is no "professional carpenters Assosiation" to belong to.

I always ask these "pros" a simple question: "So, playing a game for money makes you a pro, huh?". "Absolutely, that's the definition of a pro", they say.

"okay then, so if you and I go down the street and start a game of basketball for $50, is the NBA gonna call up and say "hey, I hear you got a couple of pro basketball players down there, why don't you guys come down and play for our team?" Not a chance.

Poffesional means belonging to the the professional governing body of that sport. Period. Obviously if you are a pro you would assume some level of proficiency. But it is a fact that there are players who have as much or more ability to compete professionally and do not. So ability does not define pro status. You can be a former heavyweight chapion of the world, just beacause you do not currently hold that title does not necesasarily mean that your ability has diminished. It just means you do not currently have that title.

If a current universally known pool professionl decides to stop playing in pro events, he would stop being a pro. His ablity may even go up. He is not a current pro. He would be a former pro player. He could change his mind at any time, resign up and be a pro again. Ability does not matter. He will still be regaurded as a pro level player and given the respect of a pro player. Is Dan Marino a pro football player? He gets to put it on his business card if he wants to. He will always be considered a pro player, even if he could no longer compete with current pro players. But the fact remains : he is not currently a proffesional player.

Using ability to determine pro status is absurd. Is the number ten ranked pro twicw as much a professional than the guy ranked number twenty? Nope, they both hold pro status. Even if one pro is twicw the player than another it does not matter. They are both pros. If I could beat every single pro player blindfolded, I would not be a pro player. Now if I pay my money, qualify, get my pro card, and enter a pro event, guess what? I am a pro. Even if I lost every game in that event.

Professional is belonging to the governing body or assosiation of that sport. It is up to that body to say what it requires of its memebers to attain and maintain pro status.

Like I said the only reason it may be unclear is because of the sad state of the pro tour (tours?).

If I was female, I think I could compete in the WPBA. Does this mean based on ability I could call myself a pro? But wait, I just beat your 28th ranked pro player, I'm in right? Nope, because one of the requirements of the WPBA is that you are female. No matter how good I play, I will never be a WPBA professional. At least not without the help of an operation ( or maybe a horriffic accident) :D
 
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Another thing about the term "make your living" playing pool. How many times have you heard " i put myself through college playing pool" What a joke. Most likely the parents paid 100% of the tuition, books, room and board, etc. But they would go and play their buddy and make $20 for beer. This is their definition of "making their living"

By this definition, all I would have to do to "turn pro" would be to move in with my dad!! I could make $300 a week hustling drunks and be "making my living as a professional pool player"!

Cool, see the rest of you on the tour!!

You want to define pro staus as whether or not you make your living at it? Well, now we have to define what making a living is! Is it 20 grand a year? 50 grand? 100 grand?

I just read in Billiards digest that Johnny Archer is cutting back his tournament schedule to open a pool roo, to make sure he can provide for the future of his new baby and family. It sounds like he isn't quite "making his living" from this game. This guy has been a pro level player for how many years, he is gauranteed to be a hall of famer, but by the definitions on here, I guess he isn't a pro anymore!
 
BlackDragon said:
A pro is someone who beats when you don't expect it, consistently :cool:

I guess Corey Duel isn't a pro, because if he and I played I would expect him to beat me VERY cosistantly!!:D C
 
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