What do YOU call it, and why?

[third_i]

I don't understand how you can outright state that more people using JBs cause poor jumping. The CB is MUCH more likely to jump off the table when using a regular cue to try to jump and hitting the impeeding ball on it's way up of down. The JB makes it easier to jump which, in turn, probably takes down the number of balls flying off tables because of bad jumps.

Now your areguement couldn't be denied if you were complaining about people that don't know how to stroke a jump shot killing cloth and the slate on good or even bad tables.

 

[John Barton]

You missed the entire point. How many BJ cues have you sold in the past 7 years? That means there are X number of players jumping the ball that didn't used to. And as far as technique, I've watched several pros at the Worlds the past 2 years lose the ball off the table onto the nice metal floor. Maybe you should work with them on their technique. I don't jump, I kick. If the safety is that good, my opponent deserves the ball in hand he or she has earned.

I didn't miss the point at all. Just because more people are doing does not mean that it's causing more damage to the cueball. I would wager that there are more people doing it correctly than incorrectly. People who lose the cueball on a jump shot need to work on their skill, even "pros".

I don't much care what you do. If we play then I am glad you are depriving yourself of another tool that adds a plethora of shots to your game. I jump and kick and (hopefully) pick the right option each time I step to the table. I will bet you as much as you can stack up on the pool table that I know more about kicking than you ever will. Why? Because I have studied and practiced this part of my game. I have also studied and practiced the jumping part of my game so it's available to me whenever I need it.

If the worldwide rules were changed to disallow jump cues then I wouldn't cry over it. I'd protest it if they didn't change the rules that make jump cues necessary but life would go on and I would just have a highly developed skill that wouldn't see much use anymore. If you are so worried about the equipment however, why don't you lobby to change the specs on balls, cloth, rubber, table construction, and flooring so that none of the other things that cause damage to balls are in use? Maybe I missed it but where was your post ranting about pocket nails sticking out and chipping balls?

Last thing Shawn, while the pros do lose the cueball on jump shots sometimes, the ones that make successful jump shots also get the most appreciation and crowd applause. Yin and Yang make the ball round.

 

[smokeandapancak]

............. and have yet to be beaten on any negative point brought up against jump cues on this board. My considerable personal experience debunks just about every argument the anti-jump cue crowd has ever put forth about why they should not be allowed.............

Wait..........this has been a competition the whole time?


I must have missed the thread where you converted the the minds of every member that objects to the use of J/B's.... . oh yeah ..the question of the thread.. I call 'em j/bs...and I have no idea why.. must b/c john Barton said so

 

[AZE]

I'm kind of OCD and I can't really decide so I call it a "Break/Jump Jump/Break Jump/Break Break/Jump.... 1, 2, 4, 8, 16!"

 

[John Barton]

Wait..........this has been a competition the whole time?


I must have missed the thread where you converted the the minds of every member that objects to the use of J/B's.... . oh yeah ..the question of the thread.. I call 'em j/bs...and I have no idea why.. must b/c john Barton said so

Of course it's a competition

I don't expect to convert anyone's opinion. All I do is present facts on subjects I know something about. If people want to continue to harbor opinions that are contradictory to the facts then that is their issue. On this particular subject it can only come down to personal dislike because all the arguments posed against jump cues OTHER THAN just plain dislike have been easily debunked.

As for the naming thing - well hey since no one is running around saying my tongue twister then I have to claim something. Plus it doesn't hurt that my initials are JB....

 

[Oddball]

Jump/Break or Break/Jump? I've heard it both ways. What do you call it and why?

*cough* Getting back to the original topic....

"High-impact cueball accelerator" or just plain "popstick".

 

[Snapshot9]

It is

a Break/Jump cue, and here's why:

The whole assembly name takes priority before any of the sub-assembly's name. The jump cue is a subset, or sub-assembly, of the Break cue, which is the whole part, and therefore, the Break cue possess's the Jump cue portion.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

I'll NEVER kick as good as you...when does your video come out?

If we play then I am glad you are depriving yourself of another tool that adds a plethora of shots to your game. I jump and kick and (hopefully) pick the right option each time I step to the table. I will bet you as much as you can stack up on the pool table that I know more about kicking than you ever will. Why? Because I have studied and practiced this part of my game. I have also studied and practiced the jumping part of my game so it's available to me whenever I need it.

Woof, woof, woof. Most pool halls (all of them in my area) don't allow jumps, so keep shorty in your Taiwanese tooled leather case.

John, you win. In fact, I think the WC shouldn't even be played this year. I'll have them take a vote, and we'll get the trophy UPS'd to you next month.

 

[Ky Boy]

Woof, woof, woof. Most pool halls (all of them in my area) don't allow jumps, so keep shorty in your Taiwanese tooled leather case.

John, you win. In fact, I think the WC shouldn't even be played this year. I'll have them take a vote, and we'll get the trophy UPS'd to you next month.

I got $50 dollars in vcash that Shawn doesn't make it through the month of August with out getting banned. That of course is just my opinion and if you don't like it I will become totally defensive, disrespectful, and just all out rude!!! (Like he does)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Gary
LMAO

ps. provided I learn how to pay off!!

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

So, wait. JB says he's willing to bet any amount that he kicks better than me and jumps better than me, without even knowing me, or how I play. Sounds like total disrespect for my game, or an absolute love of his own. And I'm the rude one? You're kidding, right?

 

[worriedbeef]

a Break/Jump cue, and here's why:

The whole assembly name takes priority before any of the sub-assembly's name. The jump cue is a subset, or sub-assembly, of the Break cue, which is the whole part, and therefore, the Break cue possess's the Jump cue portion.

get in my man. spot on.

jump/break flows off the tongue better, but the whole thing is first and foremost a break cue, which can break down to provide jump cue functionality.

 

[Ky Boy]

No

So, wait. JB says he's willing to bet any amount that he kicks better than me and jumps better than me, without even knowing me, or how I play. Sounds like total disrespect for my game, or an absolute love of his own. And I'm the rude one? You're kidding, right?

I realize you are new to this forum and also know sometimes what we type may not be how we mean it. IE-the tone of our voice and how we say it. But I have got to tell you man that you come off as very abrasive. Again, I don't know you or how your personal conversational dialogue is constructed. It may be a regional thing. I don't know. But you seem real quick to become defensive.

In your defense I will say that JB has chafing characteristics. This is a forum and I don't agree with everyone's opinion either.

Your right he doesn't know you. But I will say venture to say in reference to cueball damage that he is talking about the floor damage caused when CB hits the floor.

Gary

 

[smokeandapancak]

Woof, woof, woof. Most pool halls (all of them in my area) don't allow jumps, so keep shorty in your Taiwanese tooled leather case.

John, you win. In fact, I think the WC shouldn't even be played this year. I'll have them take a vote, and we'll get the trophy UPS'd to you next month.

i had to laugh at that..........

Taiwanese tooled leather case....... classic!

 

[John Barton]

Woof, woof, woof. Most pool halls (all of them in my area) don't allow jumps, so keep shorty in your Taiwanese tooled leather case.

John, you win. In fact, I think the WC shouldn't even be played this year. I'll have them take a vote, and we'll get the trophy UPS'd to you next month.

Probably because you have brainwashed them to believe that jump cues are a tool of the anti-christ. I have been around the country and have successfully convinced many pool room owners that jump cues DO NOT harm the equipment, have given lessons on how to teach the jump shot and thus allowed the patrons to learn another aspect of this great game.

However we are now talking about kicking are we not? OF course I will leave the jump cue in the case unless you want go up against me on jump-kick shots. You're right, I do not respect you or your game. We have gone head to head many times on this forum and each time your "logic" is discredited and you resort to emotional name calling. The reason I have no doubt that I know more than you IS because you are incredibly shortsighted and prefer to keep yourself ignorant. Therefore I am guessing based on your type that you don't study the game and think you know far more than you do. So it should be relatively easy to set up shots that confound you but are naturals to me.

I don't know what you meant to say about incorrectly remarking where the case was made. If you would bother to actually read and retain something BEFORE responding then you would possibly do much better at making statements of fact instead of the fantasy fallacies you cough up. Perhaps you meant it as some sort of derogatory, racist or stereotypical comment. Why you did it is irrelevant, it just shows that you can't stay on topic and resort to insult when backed in a corner. Try being insulting while staying on topic and in context - it's much more fun that way.

As for the inane comment about the WPC.......dude lay off the glue - really it's not good for your brain and I fear that you don't have the brain cells to spare.

 

[John Barton]

i had to laugh at that..........

Taiwanese tooled leather case....... classic!

Well you're easy to please I want you in the audience when I go on tour

Personally I think that crack gets about a -5 on a 1-10 scale - kinda like going to club baby seals with a nerf bat. Despicable and doesn't work. I figured Shawn could do better than that.

 

[John Barton]

In your defense I will say that JB has chafing characteristics. This is a forum and I don't agree with everyone's opinion either.

Gary

Hey man, I also dispense the Aloe of Love when it's deserved.

To chafe or not to chafe - that is the AZ Question of the day. Chafe - cus we already have one saint in SJM!

 

[memikey]

If I had one think would call it Jump/Break, just sounds better.

Personally prefer to kick than jump (even in those few rooms which allow you to jump anyway) and on those rare occasions when there is no reasonable percentage alternative to the latter am quite happy to use my regular cue for the jump.

Wouldn't decry anyone who supports their use but generally speaking I can't get excited about jump cues, which I've heard it said would be of negligible additional benefit to 99% of players in any case. To draw a loose parallel there are millions of golfers with 60 and 64 degree lob wedges in their bag who, even if they live to be a hundred, will never be able to use them any more effectively than a standard pitching or sand wedge. Conning them into believing otherwise is a marketing skill which works very well.

Personally really liked the IPT rules of no phenolic tips and all cues having to be at least 53 inches in length.

Just read all the above again and it doesn't half come across as a grumpy old man's rant........can't quite bring meself to change it though

 

[smokeandapancak]

Well you're easy to please I want you in the audience when I go on tour

Personally I think that crack gets about a -5 on a 1-10 scale - kinda like going to club baby seals with a nerf bat. Despicable and doesn't work. I figured Shawn could do better than that.

Its funny because it knocks you on so many different levels....

you keep your little toy gimmick cues in your 1200 dollar China-man instroke look alike......

Funny.....
In the words of Heavy-D

"I got nothing but love ya"

when will you post some pics of the "new" cases?

 

[Snapshot9]

Well, so does

get in my man. spot on.

jump/break flows off the tongue better, but the whole thing is first and foremost a break cue, which can break down to provide jump cue functionality.

ass and tits, but do you ever hear that way?? It's always T & A, isn't it? .....

 

[John Barton]

Its funny because it knocks you on so many different levels....

you keep your little toy gimmick cues in your 1200 dollar China-man instroke look alike......

Funny.....
In the words of Heavy-D

"I got nothing but love ya"

when will you post some pics of the "new" cases?

Really? What levels are those? I'd like to know. Cuz it went way over my head.

I will post pics as I get stuff done. But since I seem to have landed on your bad side somehow you don't have to worry about getting any of my toy cues or cases. Don't bother asking me to make a case for you. There are plenty of other casemakers who want your business. I am not one of them.

I don't deal with knock artists and locksmiths. So if you think Shawn was "knocking" me then I guess you are still pretty much a forum newbie cuz we have been down that road plenty and he always gets the short end.

But weren't you the one reccomending that folks belly up and get some Taiwan gimmick stick X-Breaker rip offs when we didn't know what was up with Richard? Not the kind of guy I like to hang with. Shawn's more your speed I guess.