what do you think about the Layani joint ?

I have been shooting with a Layani cue for over 2 years now and I love it. The joint does give you a different feel, but that is a good thing. I have been told by multiple people that have tried my cue that it hits like a Southwest. Having never hit with a Southwest, I can't tell you if they are right or not.

Mike
 
well,,,,,,they seem to be introducing a whole new lexicon to reason the structure of their cue. they are at once, confusing and verbose, but ultimately, it's all about performance.....no matter what they claim.

hey mike,,,,,but you're using a predator shaft with the layani. so it's kinda half-a-layani. or a "layaniesque" cue. :)
 
AzHousePro said:
I have been shooting with a Layani cue for over 2 years now and I love it. The joint does give you a different feel, but that is a good thing. I have been told by multiple people that have tried my cue that it hits like a Southwest. Having never hit with a Southwest, I can't tell you if they are right or not.

Mike

Mike:

Could you please show me a picture of your Layani?

Thank you.

Richard
 
Yes, it is a predator shaft that was fitted with the Layani joint. My girlfriend plays with a Layani and the stock shaft and she likes it a lot.

Mike

bruin70 said:
well,,,,,,they seem to be introducing a whole new lexicon to reason the structure of their cue. they are at once, confusing and verbose, but ultimately, it's all about performance.....no matter what they claim.

hey mike,,,,,but you're using a predator shaft with the layani. so it's kinda half-a-layani. or a "layaniesque" cue. :)
 
Re Layani joint

There was a thread awhile back on the cuemaker forum about the Layani joint. One of the Layani owners on the forum said they had a little trouble when they started out because they were getting 90%+ surface contact on the tapered fit (made the cues difficult to break apart). They fixed the problem by having less surface contact (but still having contact 360 deg. around the taper). Main thing about this joint I would think is you would want to get Layani to makeup any aftermarket shafts.

Terry
 
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bruin70 said:
well,,,,,,they seem to be introducing a whole new lexicon to reason the structure of their cue. they are at once, confusing and verbose, but ultimately, it's all about performance.....no matter what they claim.

Actually, you are quite right about the "verbose" part which is why I will remove this portion of my website in the redesigned website I'm doing right now. The thing is that performance cannot be shown through a website so I tried to explain with the poor vocabular I have (my first language is french, plus I'm a philosophy professor obsessed with language) what I thought was happening with this joint. Now what you refer to as the "verbose" part is actually the complete opposite of what is usually referred to as marketing (indeed if you manage to read the whole thing this is definitely not what will make you want to buy a cue!). In fact I was simply trying to understand rationnally what was happening since something was happening and that there were necessarily reasons for it to happen. In other words, I was simply trying to put into words the complex experience of playing with the cue. I still believe it would be possible to do such a thing but it would require a better knowledge of physics and a more elaborate language relating to the pool playing experience. I have had many science professors look at the joint and what I had written about it and they didn't have much to say. This is of course all conjectures, maybe what I think is in the right direction, but maybe it isn't. The only thing I know for sure is players think it hits differently and that they seem to like it quite a lot. The joint itself was first a theoretical conjecture as the mechanical structure of it made sense (this principle is used in many other applications) but we could not predict it was going to be good for a pool cue. It seems it does make an interesting difference, I was just trying to understand why.

On another note, I'd just like to add something quite odd about this joint. It would be crazy for a cuemaker to make a joint with a diameter of .750'' or less. In fact anyone would agree that the larger the diameter the more solid the cue will hit and the less vibration it will create. On our joint, where the female cone meets the male cone the working diameter is actually .750'' which is very surprising because most player say the joint creates little vibration and that it feels very solid (some even say powerful, whatever that means). There has to be a reason for this, is it because of the total surface area, is it because of the shape of the cone, is it because of the way the forces are transmitted through the cone, etc. You'll have to agree with me that it is very tempting to try to find physical explanations to these theoretical problems. But as you said in the end, it's all about performance, not the claims, but some of us are simply more curious.

Thierry Layani
www.layanicues.com
 
That is a great picture!

Tiffany Nelson did very well in her last WPBA event in NC. Congratulation to her. Wish her all the best in IN.

WPBA pro and 2004 rookies of the year Hsin Huang owns a Layani with a 314 shaft. She is already ranked top 16 after her first year on the tour. Wish her all the best in 2005, her second year competing on the WPBA tour.:p

Richard
 
Thierry Layani said:
bruin70 said:
well,,,,,,they seem to be introducing a whole new lexicon to reason the structure of their cue. they are at once, confusing and verbose, but ultimately, it's all about performance.....no matter what they claim.

Actually, you are quite right about the "verbose" part which is why I will remove this portion of my website in the redesigned website I'm doing right now. The thing is that performance cannot be shown through a website so I tried to explain with the poor vocabular I have (my first language is french, plus I'm a philosophy professor obsessed with language) what I thought was happening with this joint. Now what you refer to as the "verbose" part is actually the complete opposite of what is usually referred to as marketing (indeed if you manage to read the whole thing this is definitely not what will make you want to buy a cue!). In fact I was simply trying to understand rationnally what was happening since something was happening and that there were necessarily reasons for it to happen. In other words, I was simply trying to put into words the complex experience of playing with the cue. I still believe it would be possible to do such a thing but it would require a better knowledge of physics and a more elaborate language relating to the pool playing experience. I have had many science professors look at the joint and what I had written about it and they didn't have much to say. This is of course all conjectures, maybe what I think is in the right direction, but maybe it isn't. The only thing I know for sure is players think it hits differently and that they seem to like it quite a lot. The joint itself was first a theoretical conjecture as the mechanical structure of it made sense (this principle is used in many other applications) but we could not predict it was going to be good for a pool cue. It seems it does make an interesting difference, I was just trying to understand why.

On another note, I'd just like to add something quite odd about this joint. It would be crazy for a cuemaker to make a joint with a diameter of .750'' or less. In fact anyone would agree that the larger the diameter the more solid the cue will hit and the less vibration it will create. On our joint, where the female cone meets the male cone the working diameter is actually .750'' which is very surprising because most player say the joint creates little vibration and that it feels very solid (some even say powerful, whatever that means). There has to be a reason for this, is it because of the total surface area, is it because of the shape of the cone, is it because of the way the forces are transmitted through the cone, etc. You'll have to agree with me that it is very tempting to try to find physical explanations to these theoretical problems. But as you said in the end, it's all about performance, not the claims, but some of us are simply more curious.

Thierry Layani
www.layanicues.com


WOW! No wonder they don't get what you saying on you site...
 
Thierry Layani said:
bruin70 said:
well,,,,,,they seem to be introducing a whole new lexicon to reason the structure of their cue. they are at once, confusing and verbose, but ultimately, it's all about performance.....no matter what they claim.

Actually, you are quite right about the "verbose" part which is why I will remove this portion of my website in the redesigned website I'm doing right now. The thing is that performance cannot be shown through a website so I tried to explain with the poor vocabular I have (my first language is french, plus I'm a philosophy professor obsessed with language) what I thought was happening with this joint. Now what you refer to as the "verbose" part is actually the complete opposite of what is usually referred to as marketing (indeed if you manage to read the whole thing this is definitely not what will make you want to buy a cue!). In fact I was simply trying to understand rationnally what was happening since something was happening and that there were necessarily reasons for it to happen. In other words, I was simply trying to put into words the complex experience of playing with the cue. I still believe it would be possible to do such a thing but it would require a better knowledge of physics and a more elaborate language relating to the pool playing experience. I have had many science professors look at the joint and what I had written about it and they didn't have much to say. This is of course all conjectures, maybe what I think is in the right direction, but maybe it isn't. The only thing I know for sure is players think it hits differently and that they seem to like it quite a lot. The joint itself was first a theoretical conjecture as the mechanical structure of it made sense (this principle is used in many other applications) but we could not predict it was going to be good for a pool cue. It seems it does make an interesting difference, I was just trying to understand why.

On another note, I'd just like to add something quite odd about this joint. It would be crazy for a cuemaker to make a joint with a diameter of .750'' or less. In fact anyone would agree that the larger the diameter the more solid the cue will hit and the less vibration it will create. On our joint, where the female cone meets the male cone the working diameter is actually .750'' which is very surprising because most player say the joint creates little vibration and that it feels very solid (some even say powerful, whatever that means). There has to be a reason for this, is it because of the total surface area, is it because of the shape of the cone, is it because of the way the forces are transmitted through the cone, etc. You'll have to agree with me that it is very tempting to try to find physical explanations to these theoretical problems. But as you said in the end, it's all about performance, not the claims, but some of us are simply more curious.

Thierry Layani
www.layanicues.com

Hi-Thierry, I guess I won't be able to try one of those cues at the super expo ,I don't see you on the expo list!
 
justabrake said:
Hi-Thierry, I guess I won't be able to try one of those cues at the super expo ,I don't see you on the expo list!

I will actually be there, but I won't have a booth since I don't have any cues for sale. I'll be playing in the amateur tournament like I did last year, so we can still meet if you want.

Thierry Layani
 
turquoisecrazy said:
WOW! No wonder they don't get what you saying on you site...

Forget the explanations and just try one of the cues. There is solid mechanical engineering rationale for the conical joint but you don't have to understand it. They have a unique feel... I have two and you'd have to pry them out of my cold dead hands.
 
The Hamster said:
Forget the explanations and just try one of the cues. There is solid mechanical engineering rationale for the conical joint but you don't have to understand it. They have a unique feel... I have two and you'd have to pry them out of my cold dead hands.

Yes, that is exactly what would happen if you try one, it will turn you into a believer.

I am still working on understanding Thierry's terminology as we speak ;) ; nonetheless, it did not stop me from ordering from him repeatedly.

Cheers,
Richard
 
The Hamster said:
I have two and you'd have to pry them out of my cold dead hands.

When should I come to Toronto, er, Scarberia ?

Dave
 
The Hamster said:
Forget the explanations and just try one of the cues. There is solid mechanical engineering rationale for the conical joint but you don't have to understand it. They have a unique feel... I have two and you'd have to pry them out of my cold dead hands.


They are very nice cues and Thierry is a great guy to deal with. In fact I think the shipping tubes he uses to send you your cue are the best I've seen.

Maybe because they use the metric system. :rolleyes:
 
pbat2751 said:
They are very nice cues and Thierry is a great guy to deal with. In fact I think the shipping tubes he uses to send you your cue are the best I've seen.

Maybe because they use the metric system. :rolleyes:

Are you referring to the blue and white PVC tubes? I think they are really nice. He uses some thick cardboard tubes for shipping now. I miss the old white/blue tubes.

I know a guy who made a cue case for one shaft and one butt out of one of those blue/white tubes... :p

Regards,
Richard
 
I must admit, I have always been fascinated with the Layani Joint. It is true "Outside the box" thinking and I am a big fan of thinking outside the box and bringing the concept to the dinner table.

However, I also believe much as in Golf, your choice of equipment should be a direct reflection of the feel you are looking for foremost.

Is that to say a $5000.00 Richard Black doesn't hit well? NO....

However, it may not hit the way or play the way you or I prefer. On the flip side, a standard production cue for under $500.00 maybe exactly what you are looking for in the feel and playability of a cue stick.

Personally, for myself, a Schon is the nicest playing cue I have ever played with, no matter what the style or year of production of the cue. They all have an incredible hit, play with the utmost accuracy and offer the most predictable amount of deflection "I" have ever experienced in my 16 years playing pool.

My friends have a broad spectrum of high end cues, from Bludworths, to Paul Matys and Skip Westons. I prefer the hit of my Schon over any of them.

After you get the right feel, you then go for the asthetics, and any quality manufacturere will build damn near what you ask for, as long as you can afford your own taste.

I look forward to playing with a Layani one time soon so I can draw my own conclusion about them. Unfortunatly I know noone with one for me to try....
 
Jedi V Man said:
I must admit, I have always been fascinated with the Layani Joint. .....

I look forward to playing with a Layani one time soon so I can draw my own conclusion about them. Unfortunatly I know noone with one for me to try....

Maybe we can meet in Toronto and go Hamster hunting together ? I hear he has two !

Dave
 
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