What exactly is "shortstop" speed?

Stevies schedule is probably a little more full that Mr Mills (poolwise, at least), but I'm down to travel. But why not one person going to Ga instead of 2 going to Fla?
 
jamesroberts said:
im sure they would have to come to florida, so it prolly wont happen
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It could definitely happen at the U.S. Open in October.....

Southpaw
 
why not just come to a florida tour event, that way we could bet it up now and then give you a chance to win your money back at the us open
 
j/k. Would be the logical choice. By the way, Southpaw, who told you you were solid?;)
 
jamesroberts said:
why not just come to a florida tour event, that way we could bet it up now and then give you a chance to win your money back at the us open
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Let me guess..hes one of those players that plays like Willie Mosconi on his home table and Willie Wonka away from home.....

Southpaw
 
jamesroberts said:
i know he works and its hard to take road trips
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Just jawing back at ya because you were assuming we would lose in Fla. No offense to Donny, I know he is a strong player.

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
Just jawing back at ya because you were assuming we would lose in Fla. No offense to Donny, I know he is a strong player.

Southpaw
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of course i wouldnt bet on it unless i thought i had the best of it
 
Southpaw said:
Its not like that Russ. It just shows how the term "shortstop" varies. I know Bruce would take offense to being called a shortstop because in this area it means stops short of beating an A player or above. I was hoping to get Bruce in the box :) Oh well, its all good man.

Southpaw
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Southpaw,

Whatever happened to Brian Butler who used to play strong in the Atlanta area? He used to post over on the Billiards Digest forum and seemed to finish strong in many events he played.

Since he seemed to finish strong in a lot of events in that area I thought you would know him. He seemed to be a great guy and very knowledgeable from his postings.
 
Southpaw said:
Are you kidding? I know road players that kept books on players everywhere they went and would share it with other road players so they would know exactly what order to play the locals. Dont take my word for it, if you're ever in Atlanta, go by Mr. Cues for their Monday night handicapped tourney. Usually has around 30 players. See if you can pick out the shortstops and then see the way they are ranked in the tourney. They have a "shortstop" ranking....right between B+ and A. Like I said, I guess it varies by region.

Southpaw
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Im in ATL for the week on business and I might just swing by MrCues and check out the scene.

Thanks for the heads up.

Joseph
 
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Southpaw said:
In this area, I would say that Bruce Berrong is considered an A player and Lane Simons is a good B+. I can name a dozen players in between these 2 and around here they are considered shortstop speed. Southpaw rounds out the field as a solid D+ :)

Southpaw
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O.K. southpaw i want knock your action, but next time you go from a D to D+ keep me informed.yea will come down to murphy and shoot some. :D :D
 
Russ Chewning said:
Jeremy, I agree.

An easy way to look at it is this. See if you agree.

"B" level players do well in local nightly tournaments. Favored to get in the money. Will almost always finish below A players and above in these. They win local nightly tournaments more because opponents give them one too many chances, rather than because they forcibly win.

"A" players do well in smaller geographic area tournaments, like perhaps medium population cities/counties. Think "local two day weekend bar tournaments". Still, not any one A player is favored to win the tourney. In local nightly tournaments of the $70-$120, usually dominates. May be forced to sit out for weeks if he/she wins too often.

"Shortstop" players win local nightly tournaments at will, unless they are races to 1. :D Favored to win local two day weekend tourneys every time they step in the box. They do well in smaller regional (multiple county) tournaments. Are capable of beating regional pros if they catch a stroke, but still big dogs to Champions.

"Regional Pros". Consistent winners at all local levels. At smaller regional tournaments, they also dominate, rarely losing a tournament, and when they do, it is to another regional pro. Think "Donny Mills" in Florida. HillBilly Bryant. Glenn Atwell in WA. These guys put a beating on some champions in the tournaments as well. Could be a champion if they had the time to practice as much as Deuel, Archer, etc.. At this level, only about 5 or 6 people have a realistic chance of winning big regional events. It's always the same people winning.

"Champions". Archer, Deuel, Reyes, Alcano, etc. These guys destroy anyone who does not regularly compete in the pro events. The only reason regional pros might have a better win percentage against them locally, is because the regional pros do not travel, and are very accustomed to local playing conditions. Regional pros want no part of gambling with champions.

What do you think?

Russ
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Pretty close there, Russ. Repping.
 
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