What I would do if I was elected President of the UPA

jjinfla

Banned
First - kill all lawyers.

Oops, that's someone else's idea, and my wife the Esquire would not be too pleased with that thought. And actually I have met some really great attorneys.

Seriously, I would make an announcement to the pool world that the UPA will undergo a major reorganization with new ideas to help the men and promote pool to the general public.

Then I would tear up all the player contracts and open up the UPA to all pros. Of course how to classify who should be considered a pro would have to be determined by the membership.

Eventually, some sort of qualifying process would have to be established.

Then I would hold a general meeting of the membership where the members would voice ideas on how to improve the organization and what they would like to see happen.


I would then approach various room owners and try to mend fences and rebuild the bridges and see how many rooms would sponsor a UPA tour. My main advantage that I would offer to room owners would be that I could produce 10 to 20 of the top named players at their room. And I would show that these top players have already paid ther entry fee 30 days in advance of the tournament This would allow the room owner to post who would be there on the day of the tournament and advertise theevent. If a player failed to show up, for any reason, the fee would be forfeited, and given to the owner. In return, the players who did ante up the pre-paid fee would be seeded in the tournament according to their ranking by the UPA.

Aim for 6 stops the first year.

At every UPA event I would set up an autograph table where players would sit (be required to do that) and sign autographs and smooze with the fans. They would also sell items, like signed cueballs, gloves, shirts, etc. The profit divided between UPA and player(s).

I would set up a photo station where fans could have their picture taken with the player of their choice. Again, profit divided between player(s) and UPA.

If manufacturers set up at the tournament they would pay a fee to the UPA for their space plus a percentage of their sales would go to the UPA. Maybe 5% to 10% to start.

I am sure that once the tour got underway and people realized where all the top players were playing there would be no need to approach other promoters they would be calling me.

I would develop a new mindset among the players. That it is better to join forces for one common goal. That the only way they can succeed in pool is to have fan support. And that everytime they play in a UPA event they will be getting a portion of the gate receipts and sales of articles sold.

The membership would decide if players could play in other tournaments that might conflict with a UPA tournament. Players who do play inother tournaments might be required to give a percentage of their winnings to the UPA. Or they may lose their seeding in the next tournament. Or be suspended from a tournament. But that might be counterproductive because I would rather have the pro at a tournament rather than spank him.

I, or my helpers, would be in constant contact with the local newspapers, radio stations, TV stations, prior to and after every tournament. I would make sure that they received articles about the upcoming event and follow up with the results of the event. Over the years I have found that reporters, broadcasters, like it when you do their work for them. It amazes me now that the TD's don't do this. Maybe they just don't realize how easy it is to get printed in the paper, or to be heard on the radio. You actually can do it all from home at your computer. Or pick up the phone and call the radio station.

I have found that we have hundreds of players near where I live and about 90% have never heard of the UPA nor could they name any of the members. All they can relate to is that tall girl (Karen- who actually is short) and the one in black (Lee) or Allison.

Why is that? Because pool players do not promote themselves. I suppose that stems from the old days when they didn't want to be recognized so they could sneak in to a poolroom and get the 7 when in reality they should be giving the 6 out.

Jake
 
JJ,

This morning I had two windows open to AZ and was in the process of wasting another post with manlyshot when I saw your post pop up. Why ask him to join the board when its obvious that you have some excellent ideas and are willing to post them. Please contact one of the current board and discuss the possibility. If joining the board is not a possibility, please, please attend one UPA Tourny and talk with the board members present. They really do have the best interests of the game at heart. It's their game (and future) too.

I am fortunate that one board member lives here in Rochester. I bounce ideas off him regularly. Some of them, in retrospect, are pretty dumb. He still listens. Concurrently, some are pretty good. I am a person first, a pool player second and a UPA member third (and not on the web site)!

Regarding the identification of players, of the people who are relatively knowledgeable about pool, once you get past Earl, very few people can identify male players other than those in their immediate area. Karen, Jeanette and Allison are by far the winners. This years favorite story is the Mohican Sun Invitaional Mens Tourny finals. Some of the guys at Classic Billiards asked who the hell John Horsfall was and how did he get invited. Wow, what a player identification problem as everyone knew Django!
 
JJ- I agree with cardiac kid, you need to be on the board or atleast contact a board member. What you have written sounds very promising IMO and something like this should be happening with in the UPA. The WPBA is making revenue from the sale of the same things you listed, why not the men? The WPBA has a pretty strong amount of fans following them, why not the mens?
Great Post JJ!

Zim
 
cardiac kid said:
JJ, This morning I had two windows open to AZ and was in the process of wasting another post with manlyshot when I saw your post pop up. Why ask him to join the board when its obvious that you have some excellent ideas and are willing to post them. Please contact one of the current board and discuss the possibility. If joining the board is not a possibility, please, please attend one UPA Tourny and talk with the board members present. They really do have the best interests of the game at heart.

Cardiac Kid, nobody is saying they don't have the best interests of the game at heart.

If you were Frankie Hernandez and were told you cannot compete in a UPA event unless you sign a legally binding contract that could cause harm to your pool-playing career, but every other pool player in the world can compete by paying a $25 fee, how would you feel about it?

You are asking Jake and anybody and everybody to jump on the UPA train and help the board get it going. Why don't you ask the board to do something about the questionable business practices and try to make the UPA more user friendly? You are defending Charlie Williams in many of your posts, but how about the five banned pool players? If you are a UPA member and really have the best interests of the game at heart, is it your belief that these five pool players should be banned and all others are welcome?

ManlyShot
 
Alright manlyshot, I tried to bypass another go around but, it appears that you just want to argue.

First, Keith has done some things in his lifetime that have given players in other sports lifetime bans from their sport. He is somewhat a different person today but, as his recent actions have spoken, he is still not above doing business. What does Keith have to protect? Who is his sponsor? Why doesn't he sign. Perhaps he did something at a previous (UPA or not) event that we are not aware of. I'm willing to listen, are you?

Earl is in a class by himself. Truely one of the greatest players alive today, perhaps of all time. But, as we have all seen, he is prone to displays of temper and poor sportsmanship that are virtually unequaled. If it were only in my pool room, who cares. But some of these outbursts have been before live worldwide TV audiences. As I understand circumstances, Earl chose to resign from the UPA. They foolishly accepted his resignation instead of disciplining him. Bad judgement on both sides! Tough to defend him forever and I'm a big, big fan.

Frankie also had his moments. Ask Mike Zuglan. He is very talented but suffered from too much "latin" blood. His outbursts are well documented in the Northeast. He has matured recently and now appears to represent himself and his sponsors well. It is my understanding that one of his sponsors does not want him to sign the contract. Please ask him personally.

Troy and Corey are two of our "young guns". I am not aware of Troys reason for not signing. I understand that both Corey and Frankie share a sponsor. Since I first played them in several Joker Promotion Tournaments in the 90's, I have neither seen nor heard anything negative about either of them. I've been wrong before and I may be wrong again.

Now that I've given you what information I understand to be correct, please tell me why you continue to defend all of them. There are dozens of professional players on the UPA roster. I have not checked the latest UPA point standings. Each of the top players listed HAVE signed the dreaded UPA contract. How stupid can they be? How wise you must be. How foolish I am.
 
if i were president.......

1...forgive all tresspasses and mend broken alliances.
2...hire a board of BUSINESSMEN
3...let them do the work.
4...get in good with the seminole tribe
5...require the pledge of allegiance before the beginning of every tournament start.
6...on the second and last day of every tournament, the players must change their underwear.
7...no leather chaps.
8...no bar-b-que eaten at the tables, especially with a game in progress.
9...sharking is allowed, but only on the player three tables over.
10...no streaking
 
Hi Gremlin,

The lack of well known players on the men's side is a major problem. Outside the U.S., players like Efren, Django and most of the major "British" snooker players are very well known. I would guess that Earl also has that distinct pleasure. The women seem to do whatever is necessary to promote their images. The men seem to want to hide when ever possible. I introduced a non pool playing friend to both Karen and Julie at a recent tournament. Their autographs are a treasure for him. He was in awe that I actually new both of them. While in Vegas in May, I took him to the BCA's where the guys wanted to charge him for a signature. Oh well!

My fear for the future of Women's pool is their strong ties to the casinos. Where do they go if the casinos fall away? The cost of TV time must be hard for the WPBA to handle. ESPN keeps raising the cost of its programming to the cable and satellite providers. No ESPN, perhaps no casinos. Having the Seminole Native American Indian Tribe step forward is great for the men in the short term. Again, where do they go if the flow of money stops.
 
cardiac kid said:
Hi Gremlin,
Having the Seminole Native American Indian Tribe step forward is great for the men in the short term. Again, where do they go if the flow of money stops.

then they are back to where they are now. but at least a step has been taken in the right direction. i think, though, that if the seminole thing flops, then that is another nail in the coffin of pool, and they will be back to square one, trying to justify better exposure.
 
cardiac kid said:
Alright manlyshot, I tried to bypass another go around but, it appears that you just want to argue.

First, Keith has done some things in his lifetime that have given players in other sports lifetime bans from their sport.

Earl is in a class by himself.

Frankie also had his moments.

Troy and Corey are two of our "young guns".

Now that I've given you what information I understand to be correct, please tell me why you continue to defend all of them. There are dozens of professional players on the UPA roster. I have not checked the latest UPA point standings. Each of the top players listed HAVE signed the dreaded UPA contract. How stupid can they be? How wise you must be. How foolish I am.

Cardiac Kid, if you need to know why the Five Banned Players do not want to sign the UPA contract, simply ask them.

ManlyShot
 
Cardiac Kid/Earl never resigned/Please read

Earl Strickland "NEVER" resigned from the UPA. I will tell the story again. Earl was playing in the UPA event held at the mall in VA. Earl got knocked out and went to CW for his prize money. CW asked Earl to come back in a couple of hours and he would have it. Earl waited and came back and when he asked CW for his money CW told Earl he did not have it yet and that he would mail Earl his check. It was only for about 400 to 600 bucks. Earl was so mad that he waited for it and then CW did not have it for him as promised that Earl went outside and tore the UPA Patch off his shirt and threw it in the trash. Someone told CW about this and CW sent him a registered letter telling him that the UPA accepts his resignation. This was told to me By Earl himself at the US OPEN last year. Earl also posted on here and on Billiards Digest Discussion forum that he "NEVER" resigned from the UPA. Now my question is simple. What would you have done if you were Earl and you played in my tournament and when you came to collect your money and i told you to come back in a couple of hours and i would have it for you and when you came back i told you i would have to mail it to you. What would you do? would you get pissed? definately. I don't know to many players that would not get pissed. This can be verified when Earl comes to Rochester to play in the Joss 9 ball event held there every year. I have attended the last few and have always had a good time. Boy i wish i knew your real name. I think i know who it is but not quite sure. Anywho. i will see you at the JOSS event................mike
 
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jjinfla,

As one of the UPA Board of Directors I think your posting was excellent and full of interesting ideas. Send me a private post with your phone number and I will call you to discuss.

Robert Lipson
UPA Board of Directors
New York City
 
Re: Earl never resigned/Please read

cueball1950 said:
Earl Strickland "NEVER" resigned from the UPA. I will tell the story again. Earl was playing in the UPA event held at the mall in VA. Earl got knocked out and went to CW for his prize money. CW asked Earl to come back in a couple of hours and he would have it. Earl waited and came back and when he asked CW for his money CW told Earl he did not have it yet and that he would mail Earl his check.

I don't know to many players that would not get pissed. This can be verified when Earl comes to Rochester to play in the Joss 9 ball event held there every year. I have attended the last few and have always had a good time. Boy i wish i knew your real name. I think i know who it is but not quite sure. Anywho. i will see you at the JOSS event................mike

Cueball1950, you are absolutely correct about the Charlie Williams and Earl Strickland incident.

Earl probably didn't want to wait, like Jose Parica had to wait for three UPA-sanctioned tournaments to pass before he could get a post-dated check from you know who.

ManlyShot
 
thank you manly

i knew it was true because Earl told me that himself and was verified by another pro standing right there when he told me...mike
 
robertlipson said:
jjinfla,

As one of the UPA Board of Directors I think your posting was excellent and full of interesting ideas. Send me a private post with your phone number and I will call you to discuss.

Robert Lipson
UPA Board of Directors
New York City

Robert,

Can you provde us with a URL to the UPA bylaws?

PoolMouse
 
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jjinfla...
I have been saying almost the identical things for many years.

Also, special adds on to your ideas ......

1) to have a succesful tour, the " Tour" Board members and the tournament directors and promotors ..SHOULD NOT BE CURRENT ACTIVE PLAYERS !!! (a businessman/salesman who likes pool [or ex - player] is the best person to be in the head office)
If a current active player wishes to play in any tour event they must resign their position.
2) there must be rules to follow for those participating in the "Tour"...
example: in England , about 5 years ago, a pro snooker player (not highly ranked) was involved in an "incident" in a pub in Bristol...he was fined 500 pounds and put on probation for one year because he brought notice of "unprofessional conduct" to the snooker sport!
3) there should be qualifiers for those local players that wish to compete in a tour event..many players cannot afford to stay on any kind of a tour and work a weekly job but may have the skills to show their proficiency in a quality event.

just a few ideas...
 
poolmouse said:
Robert,

Can you provde us with a URL to the UPA bylaws?

PoolMouse

Poolmouse, the website is www.upatour.com if you want to find out more information. It is not updated on a frequent basis, but it may provide some help.
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I got the PM, Robert Lipson, and I am going to follow through.

I welcome the opportunity to find out why the UPA has prohibited the Five Banned Players from UPA-sanctioned events and allows every other pool player in the world to attend by paying a $25 fee.

Your willingness to engage in a dialogue is appreciated.

ManlyShot
 
Quote Cueball1950,

Earl Strickland "NEVER" resigned from the UPA. I will tell the story again. Earl was playing in the UPA event held at the mall in VA. Earl got knocked out and went to CW for his prize money...
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From what I have heard I believe your report of the events are pretty accurate with the exception that it didn't occur in Va it happened in Orlando, Fl at Pro-Billiards on a Sunday.

I was there Saturday so I did not see first hand what happened on Sunday.

Earl has posted here before so maybe he will post again and explain exactly what did happen.

Or perhaps he just put that episode behind him and is now just going forward with his life. I am sure there will be many other tournaments he can concentrate on where he will be accepted and his talent will be appreciated.

But think of it. The fans were heckling him. He gets knocked out of the tournament. He doesn't want to stick around and be abused by some irresponsible fans. He wants to collect his winnings and leave and the money is not available. He finds out his car has been keyed.

I personally believe if that happened to anyone the person would be justified to be pissed.

On Saturday I did watch Earl defeat Charlie after Charlie went up 4-0. It must have been that Sir Joseph glove that Earl was wearing. Could Charlie have had an ulterior motive to kick Earl out of the UPA? After all Earl was really one of two or three UPA members who can offer Charlie any consistent competition.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Could Charlie have had an ulterior motive to kick Earl out of the UPA? After all Earl was really one of two or three UPA members who can offer Charlie any consistent competition.

Jake, I think Ajrack's post in this thread is key here.

An existing pool player, self-appointed president of the UPA, uses his presidency to revenge Earl Strickland.

The selection process for the WPC, which is supposed to be based on those wonderful UPA ranking points, wasn't adhered to. Some pool players who participated in the WPC were lower on the UPA ranking chart, while many, many, many pool players were higher on the UPA ranking chart and should have gone instead.

But when you have a self-appointed president, existing pool player, calling all the shots, it is called favoritism.

ManlyShot
 
manlyshot,

I think I just saw Elvis leaving the building with John Kennedy and Jimmy Hoffa beside him. Come on. Get over it. You must really have a deep hatred of Charlie Williams to continue your diatribe at every turn, every thread and every post. At least Jake in Florida was honest enough to tell us why he dislikes him. I was incorrectly informed on Earl's resignation. I was not there. Neither were you! Everyone who posts here except for Earl and Charlie are guessing at the exact circumstances and verbage of his "resignation".

Regardless, some of the ideas posted here recently are excellent. Perhaps I was wrong in my BOD suggestion. You should volunteer to be the UPA President instead. I'm sure you could make everything OK in one fell swoop.
 
Cardiac Kid, unless you have experienced the UPA thrashing, you would have no way of knowing why I post in this thread.

You should cast your vote, though, to be fair, in that poll, "What is your opinion on the United Poolplayers Association (UPA)?"

1. The players need a better contract.
2. They're only in it for themselves.
3. They'll be fine once Charlie Williams steps down.
4. They're destroying any chance the men might have.
5. The UPA is definitely a good thing.
6. What does UPA stand for again?

You may be surprised which number I voted for, Cardiac Kid, but I know which number you will vote for.

ManlyShot
 
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